Wolves in Southern Ontario?

I hate that attitude, it's one thing to want to hunt a wolf and another to think you need to try and kill everything you see that's a predator too. pharoah2 said it very well, if you see one, you're lucky and they aren't going to bother you. I've been very fortunate to see many wolves in my job, a large pack just a few weeks ago as well when I landed at a site. Helicopters move fast enough you get there before they spook or know what's going on.

Nothing wrong with hunting them, but the mindset and promotion of killing any wolf you encounter however you can (good luck with that machete) is incredibly ignorant and takes us right back to the turn of the last century when many animals were damn near eradicated by mindless yokels with the same kill it whenever you see it mentality. I know you're new to hunting, and I absolutely hate seeing guys new to the sport espousing opinions like that, as they're viral.

Lets just all go out and hug a wolf.;)
 
I shot this male about 1 hour West of Ottawa. My hunting partner owns a 60lbs dog & he said this one was heavier. Didn't seem quite big enough for a wolf, but seemed way larger than a coyote. It had a short nose & wide head, with large paws. Is this what is called a brush wolf?

George

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It's easy to tell from the width of the nose that's no coyote ;)
I'm another 1 hr west of you right up under Alg park & I have shot what you pictured & yote types to.
I honestly can say I have no idea anymore what kind of wolf I'm shooting at.
If it has a wide nose I call it a wolf.
If it has a narrow fox type nose I call it a yote.
I've shot reddish, blackish & greyish....now I'm confused :HR:
Whatever they are I don't "hug a wolf" unless it's with lead :evil:, I've seen what they will & can do in a deer yard come winter time:mad:
 
It's easy to tell from the width of the nose that's no coyote ;)

Agreed.

Definitely a wolf. Still always possible to be a mutt, but they're still here. Could always be not fully grown too, seen bigger ones then that in Ontario but most coyotes don't get that big either.
 
I saw one this past Monday of Hwy 27 just above Schomberg. At first I thought it was a doe(size and colour) before I realized it was a wolf. It was heading towards a flock of sheep. I guess it didn't know there were two llamas with the sheep.

Bull####e
 
i shot 3 this year after thay killed a calf on one of the farms i hunt here in zone 94 ive also seen the odd bobcat and i finely seen a cougar

and yes these were wolves about 120lbs or so
 
When you have animal questions forget the MNR. Same basicly goes for the internet, people talk out of their ass, or repeat what somebody who was talking out of their ass said. Best advice, call the local trapping assocation. Done.
 
A wolf won't bother you. And if you do see one enjoy it, their gorgeous. I only saw one once and it's still somthing burned into my mind. I was in the mountains with a friend, doing some pre season wandering when I started up a little hill on a path. At once I looked up just in time to see it starting to come down. We saw each other and instantly he spun around. I ran to the top of the hill and when I got there he was standing in front of a beautiful whitetail buck with his antlers down to the wolf. They must have been going at it and when we got there the buck ran the wolf off. When the wolf saw me he ran back up to the waiting buck. When they both saw us each ran off in a different directon, we chased after the wolf. (I wanted a photo, and I kick myself for not having the camara ready to get both the deer and the wolf in the same shot) We did find the wolf a few minutes later. He was sitting on top of a ridge, with his paws over the edge watching and listening to us. I got the picture, but all you could see were two little distant pointy ears.


Depends what you mean by "bother". We've had them come into the yard on my uncle's farm and attack the farm dogs. - dan
 
I shot this male about 1 hour West of Ottawa. My hunting partner owns a 60lbs dog & he said this one was heavier. Didn't seem quite big enough for a wolf, but seemed way larger than a coyote. It had a short nose & wide head, with large paws. Is this what is called a brush wolf?

George

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100 percent coyote too me..beautiful animal,congrats on a fine trophy.

JW
 
I hate that attitude, it's one thing to want to hunt a wolf and another to think you need to try and kill everything you see that's a predator too. pharoah2 said it very well, if you see one, you're lucky and they aren't going to bother you. I've been very fortunate to see many wolves in my job, a large pack just a few weeks ago as well when I landed at a site. Helicopters move fast enough you get there before they spook or know what's going on.

Nothing wrong with hunting them, but the mindset and promotion of killing any wolf you encounter however you can (good luck with that machete) is incredibly ignorant and takes us right back to the turn of the last century when many animals were damn near eradicated by mindless yokels with the same kill it whenever you see it mentality. I know you're new to hunting, and I absolutely hate seeing guys new to the sport espousing opinions like that, as they're viral.

X2. What's with the "I saw it, I should kill it attitude" with some of you yahoos? Wolves, cayotes, beaver, deer, groundhogs, grouse, geese, elk, moose, bear, wolverine, hawk, raven -these are equally important players in the circle of life that we belong to, and though all can become troublesome when the numbers are out of skew (usually because of our interferance), are not to be objectified and disrespected just because they share the same space as us. Sometimes I am deeply ashamed of my species. Bravo to some of you that spoke up, good on you!

If you're farming, and animals are coming to take your animals, that's a different story.
 
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X2. What's with the "I saw it, I should kill it attitude" with some of you yahoos? Wolves, cayotes, beaver, deer, groundhogs, grouse, geese, elk, moose, bear, wolverine, hawk, raven -these are equally important players in the circle of life that we belong to, and though all can become troublesome when the numbers are out of skew (usually because of our interferance), are not to be objectified and disrespected just because they share the same space as us. Sometimes I am deeply ashamed of my species. Bravo to some of you that spoke up, good on you!

If you're farming, and animals are coming to take your animals, that's a different story.



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live about a half hour north of belleville, just north of highway 7. I'm a logger and i carry my 30-30 into the woods with me every day. WE HAVE WOLVES!!!!!!!!! of course we have coyotes and the hybrids, but we do have true wolves. I havn't actually shot one at work but i'v ran into them enough times that i now carry a rifle. the ones in our bush have a tendency to follow you but only when you don't have a gun. it's almost like they know. I'v seen wolves over 100lbs shot by our camp. the other day when i was driving home from work just up the road from the landing i saw a great big white one watching a field of horses. talked to a buddy and he said he saw the same thing a week before.
 
You thought that was a coyote :cool:

Typical coyotes are tiny ( average 40 lbs) compared to the one in photo.
Its confusing with the pointy nose, and mousey looking head making it look like a yote, but size makes me think its some kinda hybred mixed with wolf.

It also looks like it weighs over 60 lbs... but photos can be deceiving?.
 
I hate that attitude, it's one thing to want to hunt a wolf and another to think you need to try and kill everything you see that's a predator too. pharoah2 said it very well, if you see one, you're lucky and they aren't going to bother you. I've been very fortunate to see many wolves in my job, a large pack just a few weeks ago as well when I landed at a site. Helicopters move fast enough you get there before they spook or know what's going on.

Nothing wrong with hunting them, but the mindset and promotion of killing any wolf you encounter however you can (good luck with that machete) is incredibly ignorant and takes us right back to the turn of the last century when many animals were damn near eradicated by mindless yokels with the same kill it whenever you see it mentality. I know you're new to hunting, and I absolutely hate seeing guys new to the sport espousing opinions like that, as they're viral.

I agree to a certain point, but would also like to point out that I hope you feel the same when using the term "coyote" instead of "wolf". ;)
It seems everyone wants to protect the wolf, damned be the rest of the predators, especially coyotes.
They have their place in nature, just like the wolf. Something to keep in mind.
 
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that up here (in Algonquin Park area) there are Eastern or Red wolves. Smaller than Grey wolves but larger than coyotes.

that is 100% correct. i don't think that they stretch down as far as where i am, but i have seen these red wolves while on a canoe trip in the park. watched a show about them and the park to. I'm a good hour and a half maybe two south of the park.
 
In the Midland area 99% of what is seen are coyotes or variations there of. And we have alot, a whole lot of coyotes in the area. To the point rabbits and ground hogs are a scarce commodity. They are now working on peoples house cats smaller dogs as well as a few of my chickens. However we do have some some true wolves also in the area.

Wolves and cougars have been confirmed on the Wye Marsh Wild Life Centre property. They are very elusive and shy away from human contact. Most all sightings are seen in the winter when we groom the cross country ski trails very early in the AM.

I totally agree with what a few others have stated. If and when you see a true wolf you will instinctively know the difference from a coyote. The "look" you get from a wolf examines your innner soul as well your exterior appearance. The physical size is also much larger and move differently than a coyote. A wolf has gracefullness all to its' own.

Personnally the wolves don't bother me, its the cougars that I have more concerns over. As they are surprising larger than what most folks realize, lightning fast, and not only have big teeth but large feet with sharp claws as well.
 
I totally agree with what a few others have stated. If and when you see a true wolf you will instinctively know the difference from a coyote. The "look" you get from a wolf examines your innner soul as well your exterior appearance. The physical size is also much larger and move differently than a coyote. A wolf has gracefullness all to its' own.

Absolutely.

The uncanny power of a wolf's direct, eye to eye, scrutiny .... is so ef'n Primal. Only the very lucky will ever know whereof I speak.

Thats why I could not willfully destroy, without a clear and pressing need to do so, a most admired fellow wanderer.
 
I agree to a certain point, but would also like to point out that I hope you feel the same when using the term "coyote" instead of "wolf". ;)
It seems everyone wants to protect the wolf, damned be the rest of the predators, especially coyotes.
They have their place in nature, just like the wolf. Something to keep in mind.

I feel 100% the same about coyotes, I only take them if I'm keeping the pelt. No qualms with taking lots, as long as I'm making use of them. We have a lot less wolves around most of the guys in this forum than coyotes, though.

Here's some pics to illustrate wolf size for those in Ontario wondering if they're seeing Wolves, I'm a typical 180lb white guy.

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It's easy to tell from the width of the nose that's no coyote ;)
I'm another 1 hr west of you right up under Alg park & I have shot what you pictured & yote types to.
I honestly can say I have no idea anymore what kind of wolf I'm shooting at.
If it has a wide nose I call it a wolf.
If it has a narrow fox type nose I call it a yote.
I've shot reddish, blackish & greyish....now I'm confused :HR:
Whatever they are I don't "hug a wolf" unless it's with lead :evil:, I've seen what they will & can do in a deer yard come winter time:mad:

I do believe the animal I shot was an Eastern wolf. Here is a link to Eastern red wolf research that has been done in Algonquin park. http://www.sbaa.ca/projects.asp?cn=314
 
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