Controlling an invasive species makes sense to me as it seems like a reasonable solution to an existing problem.
Wolves: Kill 'Em All
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Controlling an invasive species makes sense to me as it seems like a reasonable solution to an existing problem.
and its because I legally can.
There are so many wolves in the area we will be in that there is a No Bag Limit (NBL) retention limit what that means is the BC hunting regulations say I can shoot/hunt as many as I can until June 15 and yes the season for wolves opens again in the fall.
I seen a huge wolf on hiway16 just after leaving Prince Rupert city limits around 2011.
I was seated in a full size truck and honestly the animal was at near eye level.
It didn't flinch one bit as I slowed down.
Interesting experience
I was seated in a full size truck and honestly the animal was at near eye level.
It didn't flinch one bit as I slowed down.
Interesting experience
So for population control then? Because saying "because I legally can" is like saying the only reason for owning a particular gun is because you legally can. Not that it's for trap shooting or hunting or self-defense or it's valuable collectors item.
But whatever floats your boat.
That's your opinion dirty not mine legally can is all I need but its more than that our provincial government is paying out huge dollars to kill wolves from helicopters I'm going to do my part to save our tax dollars from being wasted.
Every pelt of wolves/coyotes have to be removed from the bush I will be selling the hides to a trapper going to cover some of my trips expenses...
but the main reason is because I can and it will be an awesome experience for my son he's taking a 21" factory tapered barreled T/C Contender single shot in 223 loaded with 40gr V-Max @ 3350fps and if I have time before the trip to get my 23" 6.8spc bull barrel shortened to 19" he'll be taking it as well I'll load him up with 95gr TTSX @ appr 2880fps.
Every pelt of wolves/coyotes have to be removed from the bush I will be selling the hides to a trapper going to cover some of my trips expenses...
but the main reason is because I can and it will be an awesome experience for my son he's taking a 21" factory tapered barreled T/C Contender single shot in 223 loaded with 40gr V-Max @ 3350fps and if I have time before the trip to get my 23" 6.8spc bull barrel shortened to 19" he'll be taking it as well I'll load him up with 95gr TTSX @ appr 2880fps.
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Nothing objectionable about this, imho. If the science supports this wildlife management measure, and you're utilizing the harvested fur, I say have a great trip.
Its the myth of wolves as "terrorists of the forest", or that they're killing "our" deer/moose/elk/etc, coupled with the backward adage "kill em all" that no one needs in the hunting and conservation community.
I am not denying whether human activety is part of the Eco system,what I am saying is wherever human activity exists ( roads,logging,dam building ,farming) it isn't a 'natural' ecosystem anymore.Some species thrive on human activety,others suffer.A good example is wolves which tend to require wilderness and coyotes which do quite well living within city limits.Grizzlies need large areas of wilderness,black bears are opportunistic and quickly become nuisance bears
Not to mention the Passenger Pigeon that used to darken the skies for days during their migrations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon
The list of species that were pushed either out of their home range or into oblivion (extinction) by human action (usually commercial harvest rather than traditional hunting, industry, etc) is as long as your arm. Somewhat ironically, hunters and conservationists (folks like Roosevelt, Leopold, and others) also saved a number of game species from being threatened by extinction.
Indians don't seem to have a problem with wolves, they kind of revere them like they do the raven and the bear.
One could safely assume that they have a greater working knowledge of the Eco system than some tiny #### redneck who wants to shoot a wolf from a distance and feel like a big man.
One could safely assume that they have a greater working knowledge of the Eco system than some tiny #### redneck who wants to shoot a wolf from a distance and feel like a big man.
coleman1495
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We have wolves in my area. I think efforts must have been made to reduce the population as I don't see nearly as much tracks as I used to. In the one area I frequent there is some dog tracks. Two distinct sets of tracks. The one set of tracks is absolutely massive in size. I really want to see that wolf as I am sure it is huge.
Despite all my solo attempts to run into the big bad wolf I have yet to see one ( well one thats not next to a farmhouse/ acreage). They are extremely illusive buggers. Honestly without using different tactics I can't see how people would ever manage to control the wolf population via shooting them. They move silently, can smell/hear you from huge distances and are scared of humans.
Despite all my solo attempts to run into the big bad wolf I have yet to see one ( well one thats not next to a farmhouse/ acreage). They are extremely illusive buggers. Honestly without using different tactics I can't see how people would ever manage to control the wolf population via shooting them. They move silently, can smell/hear you from huge distances and are scared of humans.
Cole-, there is absolutely no way the wolf population can be controlled by shooting them.
When wolves are at a normal level, that is, balanced with the prey available for them, hunters very rarely see any wolf.
The few that are shot by hunters are only the surplus, and a sure sign that wolves are getting ahead of their food supply.
Thus, hunters shooting every wolf they see does not only benefit the game population, but it actually is beneficial to the wolf population, by getting rid of a bit of a few of the surplus wolves.
When wolves are at a normal level, that is, balanced with the prey available for them, hunters very rarely see any wolf.
The few that are shot by hunters are only the surplus, and a sure sign that wolves are getting ahead of their food supply.
Thus, hunters shooting every wolf they see does not only benefit the game population, but it actually is beneficial to the wolf population, by getting rid of a bit of a few of the surplus wolves.
There is a tremendous amount of myth surrounding the buffalo, if you read the accounts from back in the day, the buffalo's range was shrinking long before there were any settlers in the west. By ca. 1820 it was noted that the western limits of the buffalo had been pushed several hundred miles to the east and by ca. 1850 that the buffalo's northern plains range had shrunk by 3 degrees of latitude since 1800. The number of "sport" hunters in this time could probably be counted on 1 hand.
Johnn Peterson
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What you've stated about controlling Wolf populations by shooting falls in step with information I got from a trapper locally. In this part of the Island the last number of years, it seems the Deer population has been hit hard by Wolf predation. The population 'pendulum', at present, appears to favour that of the Wolf. Some time back, I was heading up some mountain switchbacks to an area where I've hunted Deer in past. Seeing a vehicle coming down the switchbacks, I pulled over to allow him to get by. This was the trapper I mentioned.earlier. As it turned out, we ended up having a discussion on the Wolf population locally. One of his points was on control by shooting. Normally, apparently only the Alpha male and female breed. He informed me that by shooting, if the Alpha male and/or female were dispatched, that most of the pack, able to do so, would start breeding until an Alpha pair and pack order was re-established. So, by his reasoning, indirectly, by happening to eliminate the Alpha pair, shooting efforts would actually serve to increase Wolf numbers.
The wolves do very well in that area. The deer feed heavily at the grain terminal on Ridley island. The numbers start to get quite high and then they are gone. Wolves probably cleaned them out is my guess. You can see the deer halfway up the piles of coal at RTI hanging out. I have seen some very huge wolves from the tracks in that area over the years.
I was wondering, given moose numbers in our are depressed right now, if on the short term aggressively hunting wolves until the moose #'s rebound is a viable strategy?
I was wondering, given moose numbers in our are depressed right now, if on the short term aggressively hunting wolves until the moose #'s rebound is a viable strategy?
CV32, whereabouts do you live, that gives you 'expertise' on what's going in on in this area of Alberta?
The wolves have been expanding out into the farm areas, especially in the Blue Ridge, northern Mayerthorpe areas. There's a bounty on them due to this.
If "The Rock' means you're from Nwfld, then I suggest you don't have any idea about that is going on here.
Your blather about protecting wolves sounds a bit to me like Pamela Anderson saying we should stop the Seal Hunt...
Keep in mind, that I'm talking about west-central Alberta wolves. I am not advocating going into remote, roadless territory and wiping them out.
But give me the opportunity, and I'd shoot every wolf in Swan Hills. I mean that.
