Woodleigh RNSN vs PPSN
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I believe the PP has a tougher jacket... Woodleigh bullets are rated for impact velocities and PP is listed at a higher velocity than the RN. I would expect the RN to expand more readily at low velocity.
cant tell.
my load used:
shots were between +-20 yards at max.
loads used
230-235 grains 57 grains of IMR 4064
247-255 grains 56 grains of IMR 4064
270 grains 55 grains of IMR 4064
285-290 grains 54 grains of IMR 4064
300 grains 53 grains of IMR 4064
320 grains 52 grains of IMR 4064 reduced
4. 232gr Woodleigh ppsn exited after 7th jug, 2nd shot exited after 5th jug, 3 rd shot exited after 4th jug 3 shots none stayed inside
8. 250gr Woodleigh PP exited 10th jug, second exited in the 4th jug, third exited in the 4th jug later found in another side jug 222 grains ... mystery of ballistic
9. 250gr woodleigh RN found against the 6th jug 240.2 grains
27. 285gr Woodleigh RN 7th jug perfect mushroom 284.4 grains
28. 285gr Woodleigh PPSN not tested yet.
37. 320gr Woodleigh RN found in the 8th jug 317.6 grains
36. 320gr woodleigh PP sn 4th jug then exited a little low.
my load used:
shots were between +-20 yards at max.
loads used
230-235 grains 57 grains of IMR 4064
247-255 grains 56 grains of IMR 4064
270 grains 55 grains of IMR 4064
285-290 grains 54 grains of IMR 4064
300 grains 53 grains of IMR 4064
320 grains 52 grains of IMR 4064 reduced
4. 232gr Woodleigh ppsn exited after 7th jug, 2nd shot exited after 5th jug, 3 rd shot exited after 4th jug 3 shots none stayed inside
8. 250gr Woodleigh PP exited 10th jug, second exited in the 4th jug, third exited in the 4th jug later found in another side jug 222 grains ... mystery of ballistic
9. 250gr woodleigh RN found against the 6th jug 240.2 grains
27. 285gr Woodleigh RN 7th jug perfect mushroom 284.4 grains
28. 285gr Woodleigh PPSN not tested yet.
37. 320gr Woodleigh RN found in the 8th jug 317.6 grains
36. 320gr woodleigh PP sn 4th jug then exited a little low.
Yep pretty much, guys down here use the RN for in close stuff an esp over hounds if they care, new crews don't giv a hoot but I have heard it from old school hounders.. I used them in 35whelen early on, almost every pill stayed in the animals, 4 pellets mushroom textbook... mostly sambar, fallow and even on wild pigs, i recovered projectiles..
the PP I use in 708, the little Woodleigh punch above their weight I rekon, 243-30 stuff..
just a better looking speedy projectile - looks more capable for longer shots than the old round nose but I think you would find not much difference on a target at 300m (35 rn v pp)...minimal but it wouldn't fly as good..surely lol.
I'm going to go for 250gr Woodleighs PPSN when I load for my 9.3 but that's cos I wana shoot to 300 if I have too,
friends use 338 225gr in their RCMs an the speeds are around 2500 I think, maybe 2600, higher end of charge weight with AR2206h ... a lot of those projectiles are staying in side of sambar at -100 meters.. they are a semi round nose style, possibly the ppsn I would have to go an quote it.
I havnt shot a deer yet with the 9.3 geco ammo, but I had my chance today at 15 meters it was not a test, nor a reason to kill the hind, it would be a good one for the Coach Gun hunter
anyway,.. I can sort of already feel I knowwhat the outcomes is goin to be with 255 geco an sambar... I'm hoping I'm wrong.. otherwise, ASAP onto the Woodleigh bandwagons mate..Cheers
WL
the woodleigh RN are awesome , the hold together and have good expansion. I use the 250RN in the whelen and have used them in everything from a 8x68 up to a 460wby... one of my favorite bullets.
the 286gr RN shot very well in a 9.3x64 I have before and worked well on moose
the 286gr RN shot very well in a 9.3x64 I have before and worked well on moose
gday, interesting
I done the 7mm into jugs but from 100meters, as I felt it gave a better idea of the performance rather than the point blank 20m? is there any reason you do the jug test at so close? is it like a worst case as the bullet is under most pressure in so close?
cheers mate
WL
BigUglyMan
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Phil, correct me if I'm wrong, but your test loads were loaded to a lower velocity (or should I say, not max velocity but slightly less) because you just picked a standard load well below max that you knew would be safe? It also had the effect of simulating an impact at a longer distance?
Or am I imagining this? That's always a possibility.
Or am I imagining this? That's always a possibility.
Ben,
i tried few load at max and over max published load but most you are right are really safe with a good margin ...
the idea was to simulate the impact at longer distance than really but in the same time there is some bullets as you discovered that you can't top load and so those ones are really at close distance for them.
the ones that didnt desintegrate or tumble are the good ones and there is a few.
back to pp sn or rn discussion is interesting as woodleigh used the same design as the old kynoch very good rn bullet with modern bonding process. it was done to make living again the old NE rifles that were sleeping forever ... then some customers wanted to go faster with bolt rifles thus the ppsn but i still think the rn is the choice ...
BigUglyMan
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- New Scotland
I'm a heavy-for-caliber Fudd so I went 286. If you aren't similarly afflicted then you could go with the 250 and have no worries.
That the 9.3X62 is a great big game cartridge is not a matter of discussion, but of certainty. It has been proven afield, on every living creature on every continent, since 1905. That is 112 years, Ladies and Gentlemen.
No less a dangerous game authority than John “Pondoro” Taylor wrote in his book African Rifles and Cartridges, “I have never heard any complaints about the 9.3mm. Its penetration is adequate for anything." He further states "Men just take it for granted and it goes steadily on its way like some honest old farm horse."
What some are not aware of is that it does so very well far beyond what that loaded 286 gr round nose would suggest. We have often run five pigs off the rail on our silhouette course here. That is a target 22" high X14" wide at 300 meters, and is easily accomplished by holding less than the height of the pig over his back, around 18 inches above his center.
That is 328 yards, and that 286 gr RN "honest old farm horse' arrives there still packing well over a ton of energy. The more pointed bullets shoot a bit flatter.
Ted
No less a dangerous game authority than John “Pondoro” Taylor wrote in his book African Rifles and Cartridges, “I have never heard any complaints about the 9.3mm. Its penetration is adequate for anything." He further states "Men just take it for granted and it goes steadily on its way like some honest old farm horse."
What some are not aware of is that it does so very well far beyond what that loaded 286 gr round nose would suggest. We have often run five pigs off the rail on our silhouette course here. That is a target 22" high X14" wide at 300 meters, and is easily accomplished by holding less than the height of the pig over his back, around 18 inches above his center.
That is 328 yards, and that 286 gr RN "honest old farm horse' arrives there still packing well over a ton of energy. The more pointed bullets shoot a bit flatter.
Ted
recommendation from kevin robertson is not too push them more than 2300 fps ...
