Work Guns I’ve Known

I have 2 'work guns' .. my son calls them 'truck guns' ..

a Win M70 Extreme Weather and a Sako Finnlight, both of course are in stainless, both in 7mm-08 ..
and both are built tough, very accurate, and completely dependable regardless of the environment or conditions.

Work guns - more than capable of 'getting the job done' here on Vancouver Island.

-Dennis
 
These are the work guns that I have carried for years,I put the factory lever back on the Marlin. I really did not like the big loop.

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Good looking guns pounder, like the short Redhawk, what’s the finish on your Marlin? Looks aftermarket.

frabill said:
What kind of load data do you have for the 130 barnes and 135 ceb?
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46.5grs H4895 gives 3,100 with the Barnes TTSX 130, CEB 135s I can load the same under but don’t consider this data, just my gun’s diet won’t apply to yours safely without workup.
 
Ardent said:
geologist was waiting to see your 602, it’s a CGN brand by now love that thing. :cool: Will likely emulate yours in stainless and synthetic with mods to my Model 70.



For sure, Grizzly guns last handful of years with notes for anything in particular that stands out,


7mm Rem Mag - Very quick kill bear didn’t travel a step, stood up at the hit, fell over dead. Same rifle killed a coastal black bear and wolf on that fell on their shadows too.

.300 Win Mag - Three Grizz fell with it last two Grizz seasons. Two Grizz down with the 200gr TBBC, too stiff a bullet in opinion but killed them both. Another down with a 190gr I forget that acted quicker, Hoytcanon was guiding here for all three as well.

.300 Ultra Mag - Dogleg’s with an Accubond, bear collapsed at the hit.

9.3x64 - Backup rifle to the client’s son’s 7mm Rem Mag, gorgeous Ralf Martini custom.

.375 Ruger - 300gr DGX, bear rolled over several times at the hit and died, broke a wrist sized humerus clean off the shoulder joint.

.375 H&H - Dogleg’s backup rifle, I used it on one of my own bears too and carried as backup many times. It bloody well works.

Now indeed it’s mountain goats, black bear, and moose carrying us. In that side see mostly .300s, smallest rifle has been a .260 largest .300 Ultras in the high country. I personally love the .270 and 7 Mag for use up on top, .270 in particular as the rifles are lighter. .308 has been used on a couple goats lately, I’m loaning my Kimber .308 to an Aussie client this year too.
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So if you had to choose between .270 and 7mm mag, which would you go with for all-round non-grizzly usage? For a client, not for backup gun purposes.

Been looking at new rifles for some time now, for hunting black bears in coastal marshes. Shots could be 300 yards, and the flat shooting cartridges are obviously more appealing there. Not that a .308 wouldn't do, and that's probably what I'd prefer most, but it's nice to not have to worry about drop as much if you're in a hurry to take a shot.
 
TheCoachZed said:
So if you had to choose between .270 and 7mm mag, which would you go with for all-round non-grizzly usage? For a client, not for backup gun purposes.

Been looking at new rifles for some time now, for hunting black bears in coastal marshes. Shots could be 300 yards, and the flat shooting cartridges are obviously more appealing there. Not that a .308 wouldn't do, and that's probably what I'd prefer most, but it's nice to not have to worry about drop as much if you're in a hurry to take a shot.
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I'm sure Ardent will chime in, but until then I can tell you the following. I have both .270 and 7mm RM - and have been using both for +25 years. Lately I've been using the .270 more - 150gr Partitions at 2970 out of a 22" barrel. I also used to use the original Barnes X at just under 3200fps. You should reload for both of them. They both seem to kill deer approximately the same. The .270 will cleanly take deer past 300 yards - I shot a nice 4x4 buck two weeks ago at a ranged 430 yards. One shot was all it took.

I like the 7mm RM for larger game just because I really like the 175gr Partition. But the .270 load I use with 150gr Partitions has similar velocity and pretty similar trajectory out to reasonable ranges. The .270 has less recoil, so you can shoot it more comfortably in a lighter weight rifle. Typically a .270 will hold more rounds in the magazine - but I haven't found that to be a practical advantage while hunting. The .270 will also typically have a shorter barrel. For black bears I don't think you'd really notice the difference between the two.

A skilled hunter and marksman could probably spend a lifetime with either and it wouldn't make a difference.
 
TheCoachZed said:
So if you had to choose between .270 and 7mm mag, which would you go with for all-round non-grizzly usage? For a client, not for backup gun purposes.

Been looking at new rifles for some time now, for hunting black bears in coastal marshes. Shots could be 300 yards, and the flat shooting cartridges are obviously more appealing there. Not that a .308 wouldn't do, and that's probably what I'd prefer most, but it's nice to not have to worry about drop as much if you're in a hurry to take a shot.
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For black bears six of one half a dozen of the other, whichever gun you shoot best. You’re not going to see any difference inside 300 yards on black bears between a .270 and a 7 Mag in my opinion. If you were looking at 400+ yard mountain goats after the bear the 7 starts to become the clear choice, it’s got more versatility at the price of more weight and recoil generally.

1899 said:
I'm sure Ardent will chime in, but until then I can tell you the following. I have both .270 and 7mm RM - and have been using both for +25 years. Lately I've been using the .270 more - 150gr Partitions at 2970 out of a 22" barrel. I also used to use the original Barnes X at just under 3200fps. You should reload for both of them. They both seem to kill deer approximately the same. The .270 will cleanly take deer past 300 yards - I shot a nice 4x4 buck two weeks ago at a ranged 430 yards. One shot was all it took.

I like the 7mm RM for larger game just because I really like the 175gr Partition. But the .270 load I use with 150gr Partitions has similar velocity and pretty similar trajectory out to reasonable ranges. The .270 has less recoil, so you can shoot it more comfortably in a lighter weight rifle. Typically a .270 will hold more rounds in the magazine - but I haven't found that to be a practical advantage while hunting. The .270 will also typically have a shorter barrel. For black bears I don't think you'd really notice the difference between the two.

A skilled hunter and marksman could probably spend a lifetime with either and it wouldn't make a difference.
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Better synopsis than I can offer. :cheers:
 
Porkchopsandwhich said:
Or a stainless version
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It’s the internals that got rust fuzz, and the gaping open ports allowing too much sand / salt water / rain in. The internals won’t change on a “marine” model, just the exterior. A pump action shotgun is a finnicky, complex action with many small moving parts compared to a CRF bolt action or double rifle. And the ballistics are abhorrent, there’s no good reason to carry a shotgun in proper bear country despite it being rather Canadian tradition. If I had to face a real charge and could pick between a .308 and a 12g slug to save the bacon, the .308 every day of the week. .300/.338/.375/.416/.458 even better.
 
Ardent said:
It’s the internals that got rust fuzz, and the gaping open ports allowing too much sand / salt water / rain in. The internals won’t change on a “marine” model, just the exterior. A pump action shotgun is a finnicky, complex action with many small moving parts compared to a CRF bolt action or double rifle. And the ballistics are abhorrent, there’s no good reason to carry a shotgun in proper bear country despite it being rather Canadian tradition. If I had to face a real charge and could pick between a .308 and a 12g slug to save the bacon, the .308 every day of the week. .300/.338/.375/.416/.458 even better.
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Had me thinking after I posted this if they made stainless or "marine" coat internals for them I guess not?

Also reminded me of the scene from Terminator 2 with "Enriques' 590 stainless

shooting buck or slugs at jugs of water is never as impressive as a full size rifle calibre
 
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