Working Gun for the North

Great Minds, indeed

outdoors said:
Great rifle.

I'm in Labrador and had almost the identical rifle built by Corlanes. I used an FN '98 action, Gentry safety, and Montana #2 stainless barrel with a McMillan hunter's edge stock. My rifle is also a Swede! I had all metal powder coated similar to yours. I went with Talley light weight rings/mounts, no open sights and mounted a Leopold 2.5-8X. Great minds must think a like!

I have been very happy with mine and love the 6.5X55 round. I have tried several bullets but love both the 125 & 140 grain Nosler partitions.

Regards,

Outdoors

I thought about going with Corlanes, and powder coating. But Barry at Bits and Pieces made me a great rifle last time, and I decided to stick with him.

Weird coincidence isn't it that we both bought the same scope, stock, caliber, barrel contour. Too bad you aren't a girl with biggens. I might move to Labrador!

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i wish i would have heard of that stainless doesn't work in the cold thing when it was still cold here i could have tested it
 
The 400 series stainless steels do lose strength in extreme cold. It is one of the reasons Militarys don't use stainless guns.

There are stainless steels that perform well in extreme cold, but they are not free machining enough to make barrels, in particular.
 
BigBill: Is that a Uncle Mikes Sling? I just bought one for my Matlin 45-70, and maybe I'm stupid, but I had a hell of a time figuring out how to put it on! The instructions are about as useful as a pointed stick up a dead dog's ass!! Finally figured it out, but it still looks a little different from yours! No strap running over the padded part! BTW, very nice set up!!
 
The following is an excerpt from the 2 page answer John Krieger gave to the questions, "Stainless or chrome-moly barrels - which do you usually recommend to your customers? What are the advantages of stainless? Will a stainless barrel always last longer due to less erosion?"

I thought this was from the Krieger article in PS magazine, but it was in fact printed in "A Varmint Hunter's Odyssey - I was reading both at the same time.

John Krieger -

"For light to medium weight sporter barrels I only recommend chrome-moly. The physical properties of stainless steel drops off much more than chrome-moly. Ductility, yield and tensile are reduced much more than chrome-moly, creating a condition where it is both weaker and more brittle."

So what does this mean to those of us who shoot in the cold. For a start I guess those of us with stainless barrels should be careful not to drop them on a rock when it's cold out.

In the cold however, I doubt if we could come to any conclusion concerning which barrel is more accurate. The clothing you are forced to wear in the cold generally interferes with things like consistent cheek weld, and being able to feel the trigger. This is particularly a problem for me as I find my fingers freeze very quickly now, even when wearing light gloves suitable for shooting. If you were able to say that rifle "A" showed a drop in accuracy at low temperatures compared to rifle "B", how would you know what you were measuring?

Even if the same ammo was being fired in both rifles, the rifles themselves would have to be absolutely identical other than the barrel material, and even then small differences in bedding or even the comfort level of the shooter could interfere with the test results. It is not likely that anyone with a switch barrel rifle would have two high grade barrels of the same contour, from the same maker, in the same caliber, with the same round count, but one stainless and the other CM. Of course if anyone out there is so equipped - inquiring minds want to know.
 
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Shooting in the Cold

Boomer said:
"This is particularly a problem for me as I find my fingers freeze very quickly now, even when wearing light gloves suitable for shooting."


Here is a trick you might already know about, but maybe others do not. Get a pair of thin neoprene gloves, such that you can feel the trigger through the material and keep good trigger control. Over this, wear a seal skin mitten.

If you are right handed, shoulder the rifle and to prepare to aim. Then slide your right hand into your left armpit, and use your left arm muscles to pull the seal skin mitten off, while still shouldering the rifle. Quickly aim and pull the trigger while your right hand is now covered only with the neoprene glove. If you practice this a bit, you can get a shot off quickly, and your trigger hand might not freeze, because for most of the sequence it is covered with the seal skin mit, and then briefly by the neoprene. Your naked hand will never touch the cold steel.

Thanks for the information re: stainless barrels. I heard also, a long time ago, that stainless retains heat for longer than cro-moly. This can lead to overheating with sustained rapid fire. I do not know if this is much of an issue to hunters.


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Gatehouse said:
Good looking rifle, should suit your needs perfectly!

Over the years,I've heard from several sources about stainless not being as good in cold weather. Including barrels that split, IIRC. It would be interesting to see a study regarding that- True? Or long standing myth?

It wouldn't be too hard to find out. If you will just donate that POS some character named Bill Leeper built for you, I'll round up a few gunnutz to try it out with. It's not like you'd be risking a valuable firearm like a Stevens 200, so I'm sure you will be happy to help. :evil:

Oh, and ummm, Bill, if you read this, don't hold it against me when you have my rifle, ok? :eek: ;)

Barry is a heck of a good smith, I've got a few guns heading his way soon as well. :D
 
Bill... That is the nicest custom bolt working rifle I have seen....what sets it off is the stock....How much done the rifle weigh?
Can't wait to see the pictures of your other custom rifle...:)
 
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nrut said:
Bill... That is the nicest custom bolt working rifle I have seen....what sets it off is the stock....How much done the rifle weigh?
Can't wait to see the pictures of your other custom rifle...:)


I don't have a scale, but I figure it weighs around 7 1/2 lbs scoped. The stock is a McMillan.

The pointing characteristics is what sets the rifle apart. With both optical and iron sites, it is bang on target when shouldered. I never saw this before in a rifle before.

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Do you mind if I copy it? I've been thinking of having a similar rifle built for some time now. I've had a bugger of a time deciding on the caliber. The 6.5 Swede holds appeal and I think will be just what I need. What barrel twist did you get? 1:9 seems about right to me for 120-140gr bullets.
 
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That's a damned fine rifle. The only thing I would have done differently would have been to choose a more common calibre that you will find in more remote places. I'd be surprised if you find 6.5x55 ammo anywhere outside of Yellowknife or Iqaluit. I know that you can't get it in Inuvik. Maybe catwork and Otokiak (I'm not sure where tiriaq lives) can enlighten us to the selection of rifle ammo in the Eastern Arctic. IMHO a 308 or 30-06 would have been a more practical choice.

But it's your rifle, not mine. Still a beauty, just don't lose your ammo anywhere.
 
Ammo North

BigUglyMan said:
Maybe catwork and Otokiak (I'm not sure where tiriaq lives) can enlighten us to the selection of rifle ammo in the Eastern Arctic. IMHO a 308 or 30-06 would have been a more practical choice.

But it's your rifle, not mine. Still a beauty, just don't lose your ammo anywhere.

No doubt 308 is easier to find in the eastern Arctic. I think I have seen it in every community I visited. But a lot of places do have 6.5 Swedish. And that caliber is way, wayyyy, cooler than 308.

I have traveled to many communities in Nunavut, and the ammo selection is inexplicable. In Pangnirtung, there are boxes of "7 MM Remington Express." In Rankin Inlet there are piles of 250 Savage ammo. In one community, I cannot remember which, there are boxes of 25-20. I can only speculate as to why this is the case. But Tiriaq would know why.

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Bigbill said:
I don't have a scale, but I figure it weighs around 7 1/2 lbs scoped. The stock is a McMillan.

The pointing characteristics is what sets the rifle apart. With both optical and iron sites, it is bang on target when shouldered. I never saw this before in a rifle before.

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The old Husky LWT and Brno 21/22's were stocked to use both scope and iron sites ...have'nt weighed the Brno but the Huskey comes in at 7 1/2# scoped and feels lighter than that...your rifle reminds me of the old LWT's,but with a shorter forearm which I like....
 
Doubtless you know the June '07 Handloader mag has an article on the 6.5x55 under the sub-title "sensible hunting cartridges".

I just finished re-reading some old Ross Seyfried articles of which the last one I read was "6.5 - It does it all". I guess a lot of people agree about that.
 
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