Working man's .470 Nitro Express

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My friend and I were talking about medium and big bore rifles tonight. He has been itching to get a short barreled thumper for a few months now - as have I.

I've owned a No.1 chambered in .375 H&H and rather liked it. It was a touch heavy though. The .450/400 Nitro Express looks quite interesting, but again it is 9lbs. What a fellow needs is a lighter rifle, like the Medium Sporter. They are available in 9.3x74, an excellent cartridge but not big enough to satisfy our "needs". I thought it would be neat to buy a Ruger No.1 in .475 Linebaugh - which is a Medium Sporter and weighs 7.25lbs, and just have it rechambered to .470 Nitro Express. Bingo! A reasonably priced classic big bore in a decent rifle.

Would the 22" barrel be long enough?I better check some reloading data - it easily reached 2250fps with a 500gr bullet out of 23 - 24" barrels, and the classic load is 2150 fps, so it should be fine. Wait a minute...2150 fps...500gr bullet...108gr of powder...in a 7.25lb rifle.

Let me just check the recoil calculator - 99.27 ft-lbs. Interesting. 500gr bullet, 112gr of Vihtavuori N160 and 2250 fps - 108 ft-lbs of recoil. Well, that is quite a bit, isn't it?

What can we compare that too? Well a .460 Wby is known to be stout in the recoil department. The Mk V weighs 10lbs - so 500gr at 2500fps using 115gr of powder gives us 92.7 ft-lbs of recoil.

Even more interesting is the velocity of the recoiling firearm. Weatherby's big .460 comes back at at 24.4 fps. The .470 in the No.1? 31 fps.

Maybe a 7.25lb .470 Nitro Express is not such a good idea. Even if it is affordable.



Edit - I was on the excellent site - www. 470mbogo. com and looked at the chart of recoil. Only the .500 A-Square with full power loads - 600gr at 2400 fps in a 10.6lb rifle has more recoil - 109.3 ft-lbs. And the recoil velocity is 25.8 fps - still well under 31 fps!
 
The price of these might make you think again about a cheep build
$398.00 for 20 rounds + gst + pst
Gives a kick to shoulder & wallet.
manitou


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Wolverines sell it for $150 cheaper. If that matters:p

Either way, that is a lot to spend on a round that drives a 500 gr bullet at 2150. If you need to go bigger than .458 Win/Lott, or a .458/.375 Ultra, I think a .500 NE is the right place to start with it a 580 at 2100. The .470 kills game, but so does the .458 at a third of the price.
 
I would stick to standard velocity 470 nitro loads in a #1. I had one in 416 Rigby and it hurt with a break on it. An RSM 416 was easier to shoot with out the break.
My only question is, What is the twist rate on the 475? Would it work for the 470? If its the same then I say go for it.
My 460 was 11.8lbs with scope and 3 rounds of ammo. My 510 Wells is 9.5 or less. The 460 was easily shootable and accurate with practice. I don't know about the 510 yet. I would not shoot your 470 if you were reloading for max speed. It would be bad. Price out brass and components. I think your $3 a load is a little light. Thats the cheapest I could do with the Rigby.
Sounds like a good project.
 
Either way, that is a lot to spend on a round that drives a 500 gr bullet at 2150. If you need to go bigger than .458 Win/Lott, or a .458/.375 Ultra, I think a .500 NE is the right place to start with it a 580 at 2100. The .470 kills game, but so does the .458 at a third of the price.

I think his idea is cheap and lighter. I just checked the twist and 470 1-20" and the 475 in the Ruger is 1-18". I would say thats close enough to work well. This sounds like a good deer gun to me now. LOL
 
I used to own a #1 in .458WM and it was a wee bit on the light side for full power loads. I heard horror stories of them in .416 Rigby. Not me first choice for a big bore.
 
why doesn't ruger chamber the 470 in the 1H?

Because it beats the pi$$ out of you?
The gun is not well weighted or designed for that sort of horsepower.

I have shot one in 460Wby and that gun WILL fly out of your hands if your not careful.
The same guy has a #1 in 416 Rigby and its no treat either.

I believe Labounty/Bowen used to build them up to 577Nitro! :eek:
 
Because it beats the pi$$ out of you?
The gun is not well weighted or designed for that sort of horsepower.

I have shot one in 460Wby and that gun WILL fly out of your hands if your not careful.
The same guy has a #1 in 416 Rigby and its no treat either.

I believe Labounty/Bowen used to build them up to 577Nitro! :eek:

LOL...could not have said it better myself. The thought of shooting one makes me cringe :eek:
 
I would not shoot your 470 if you were reloading for max speed. It would be bad. Price out brass and components. I think your $3 a load is a little light.

I used Jamison brass - fired 4x, Woodleigh Soft Points, 215 primers and 90gr of RL15 for coming to that $3 per shot figure.

I wouldn't be looking for velocity - it is more of a nostalgia thing.

Dogleg - because I can't justify buying a Westley richards double.
 
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