World English Sporting Clay Championship
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So why would you shoot a shoot that was not supported by the World FITASC association and for that matter why do you shoot in the U.S.A at all. If your such a
supporter of shooting sports in Canada you should be shooting as many shoots as possible in your own country regardless of it's affiliation . WE only have so many shooters in this country, we should when ever possible participate and maintian the sport and it's integrity for future genertation of shooters. If we want the sport to grow we have to participate south of the boarder and attract as many shooters from there as possible to come up to our shoots. You know as I know you can't pulloff a shoot on a world class level without thier paticipation. You have been to most of the world shoots south of the boarder as I have and thats just the way it is.
So lets get our heads out of the sand and start supporting and attracting as may shooter as possible, or a few years down the road we will only have south of the boarder to go to.
The NSCA Runs event very very well, they are incredibly organized, example: I shot in the Kruger Western Challenge in Bozeman last week, scores and rankings were posted on Winscore almost in real time. Awarding cash prizes is just icing on the cake.
It's not that I have a desire to support non-Canadian entities, but it seems the "bang-for-your-buck" is lacking in Canada. Ideally I'd like to see NCSA and CNSCA combine forces, after all, it's the same game, and North America and the UK are the only places people shoot sporting clays, so why have different standards?
And besides as above, FITASC is "International", hence why there are "FUN-TASC" shoots int he US put on by clubs that don't want to deal with some of the politics and BS that comes with the International rules.
It's not that I have a desire to support non-Canadian entities, but it seems the "bang-for-your-buck" is lacking in Canada. Ideally I'd like to see NCSA and CNSCA combine forces, after all, it's the same game, and North America and the UK are the only places people shoot sporting clays, so why have different standards?
And besides as above, FITASC is "International", hence why there are "FUN-TASC" shoots int he US put on by clubs that don't want to deal with some of the politics and BS that comes with the International rules.
I think Henry is wondering why people would want to shoot NSCA registered in Canada rather than supporting our own Canadian organization, the CNSCA. A strong Canadian association, supported in all the provinces across Canada is the best way to "maintain the sport and it's integrity for future generations of shooters."
Exactly! The World English is NOT a FITASC supported event because it was held under the auspices of the WCTSF, a rival organisation! The world "Sporting" has been a registered trademark of FITASC for 70 years. NSCA has no business in Canada and their only interest is $$$ coming from here! Why would a FOREIGN shooting federation want to get members? $$$ There is no benefit to Canadian shooters to shoot NSCA in Canada, only in the US. The only area that supports NSCA is the Toronto area.
Be proud to be a Canadian! When we shoot Internationally, we are much better received than our Southern friends! I can say this with several other shooting disciplines such as IPSC and IDPA. In both, we have a Canadian shooting federation that represents us and not a foreign entity!
Yes by shooting South and mingling, we can attract more US shooters to our shoots. But, they will come up if we present events on par with Galt's or what we had here. They come up for good target presentations (not those that beat the shooter), reasonable prices, good food, well run and fun. It does not have to be a foreign registered shoot to attract numbers! At our September 8 shoot, we will have nearly 300 for a NON registered shoot. Meanwhile, what is the numbers for NSCA in Canada?
Henry
I couldn't understand the discrepancy in shooting classes between the NSCA and the CNSCA at the World English Sporting in Galt. Some Master shooters from CNSCA got to shoot in B and C class. Some were CNSCA and NSCA master shooters but ended up shooting in lower classes. I thought shooting ability would have prevailed. That kind of discrepancy wouldn't occur if it had only one association governing sporting clays in Canada. I guess some clubs in BC are talking of joining the Canadian chapter of the NSCA to bring more shooters here. It seems to be working for trap PITA. This is the link to the Canadian NSCA: http://www.nscacanada.ca/news . Consistency always works better.
You have to read through the NSCA classification system a few times to make sense of it, but there is a method to it; plus they have a very well defined system for advancing in classes (punch counts). So while I don't necessarily agree with the result of NCSA class assignments to incoming (experienced) shooters, because of the strict advancement rules, it is understandable, and they do have an official review policy as well as "anti-sandbagging" rules.
Sapper 33, I shoot NSCA almost exclusively and I have shot CNSCA in the past. What I couldn't understand was that they didn't use the known abilities rule. My understanding for the shoot in Galt was that they looked at the shooters' average which is not used by NSCA. The average for the best CNSCA shooters is low I guess in comparison to the the NSCA master shooters in general maybe because of the targets they throw in Alberta. With one governing body in Canada, CNSCA or NSCA, classification would be consistent across the country.
Unfortunately Sapper they did'nt do that a the world shoot. They just asked what classification you shot and thats what they wrote on your score sheet. At least thats what they did for us. Now to answer Henery's remark about how many N.S.C.A shooters there are in Canada, the N.S.C.A lists 670 Canadians. With the vast majority in Ontario. As a matter of fact no one asked us if we were members of the C.N.S.C.A., which I am.
I was also at Galt. Unfortunately, the classification was not at all optimal. Robert decided to use the NSCA class as a baseline. Anyone that had an NSCA classification was automatically placed into that NSCA class.
So regular CNSCA shooters that had not shot enough to move up the NSCA ranks due to the punch system used (even though they are good shooters with a known higher average in the CNSCA) were placed in their lower NSCA class. If a shooter did not have an NSCA class, they were assigned an arbitrary classification based on known CNSCA average.
They did have a print out of all the CNSCA shooters and their averages at the registration desk to help shooters get placed into that arbitrary class.
So regular CNSCA shooters that had not shot enough to move up the NSCA ranks due to the punch system used (even though they are good shooters with a known higher average in the CNSCA) were placed in their lower NSCA class. If a shooter did not have an NSCA class, they were assigned an arbitrary classification based on known CNSCA average.
They did have a print out of all the CNSCA shooters and their averages at the registration desk to help shooters get placed into that arbitrary class.
