WORST CASE SCENARIO - buyback is implemented

Didn't the Customs just stop shipments of PARTS from the UA. These PARTS were firing pins and springs and deemed Prohibited because they are used in Prohibited firearms. So when they come for your guns, PARTS WILL BE INCLUDED!

Parts themselves are not prohibited. Importing parts for a prohibited rifle might be though. (I've heard talk that it is, but I haven't seen supporting legalese)

I like this!
I failed to keep in mind the difference in storage rules (don't own any and generally not mindful of this)
you are absolutely correct
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Please don't trust pictures from the RCMP, they are well known to post erroneous information on their website. You should be seeking the actual regulation that covers this and reading that.
 
With the current global situation I think the government has shelved pet projects. I would even hazzard a guess that perhaps they even want to show some fiscal restraint deciding that enought debt has been accrued at the moment. I suspected we will likely see or hear more about a "buy back" around election time, baring an event that motives the powers at be.
 
With the current global situation I think the government has shelved pet projects. I would even hazzard a guess that perhaps they even want to show some fiscal restraint deciding that enought debt has been accrued at the moment. I suspected we will likely see or hear more about a "buy back" around election time, baring an event that motives the powers at be.

A pivot to grandfathering with usage of the affected firearms would be their best move. It is the only move that satisfies what they've set out to do without incurring a whirlwind of financial and political costs, and for us is better than the immediate prohibition/confiscation we're currently looking at.

From Liberal perspective:

- scary guns cut off at the tap, can be spun as a success to anti-gun base
- Liberals don't lose face on "all scary guns need to be controlled" stance
- they can claim they respected our lawfully purchased property, and can claim that the guns remaining in use/our hands softens the blow to businesses, giving them more time to adjust business models/inventory of parts/etc
- no buyback means $$$ saved
- Without a doubt, grandfathering will require registration. In the case of prohibited NR rifles, rates of compliance would be higher since affected owners will want to retain use of their property.
- Said registration list can be shelved for a confiscation program later when the public appetite for it is restored, or held as a card in the deck should there be a future heinous criminal act.

From the gun owner's perspective:
- Guns don't get taken, at least not right away

On the other hand, a compensation program would be expensive on the face of it and would have to be generous to get high rates of compliance. A dismal rate of NRs being turned in would be a humiliation for the liberals, even if their intended goal of the guns being effectively removed from public sporting life is accomplished.
 
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I'll probably take an angle grinder and zip disc to my receivers before I hand them over. I don't need the $500 cheque they will give me for my combined rifles. Screw em.

Pftt...

Wrap them in a plastic bag and Drop each reciever half individualy in a 5 gallon bucket with concrete and rebar... Got to be safe and all.
150lb ar15s a cruiser can only pick up maybe 4 or 5 at a time lol.
 
A pivot to grandfathering with usage of the affected firearms would be their best move. It is the only move that satisfies what they've set out to do without incurring a whirlwind of financial and political costs, and for us is better than the immediate prohibition/confiscation we're currently looking at.

From Liberal perspective:

- scary guns cut off at the tap, can be spun as a success to anti-gun base
- Liberals don't lose face on "all scary guns need to be controlled" stance
- they can claim they respected our lawfully purchased property, and can claim that the guns remaining in use/our hands softens the blow to businesses, giving them more time to adjust business models/inventory of parts/etc
- no buyback means $$$ saved
- Without a doubt, grandfathering will require registration. In the case of prohibited NR rifles, rates of compliance would be higher since affected owners will want to retain use of their property.
- Said registration list can be shelved for a confiscation program later when the public appetite for it is restored, or held as a card in the deck should there be a future heinous criminal act.

From the gun owner's perspective:
- Guns don't get taken, at least not right away

On the other hand, a compensation program would be expensive on the face of it and would have to be generous to get high rates of compliance. A dismal rate of NRs being turned in would be a humiliation for the liberals, even if their intended goal of the guns being effectively removed from public sporting life is accomplished.

Grandfathering with use completely defeats their message. They are claiming these guns are too dangerous to be in the hands of private citizens. Allowing us to keep using them would fly in the face of that. AR15s are already registered, the government is already controlling who owns them and they know where they are kept. The ONLY difference that grandfathering with use would have is make it illegal for retailers to sell new ones (and possibly private persons selling used ones, depending how they go about it, but other prohibs are legal to sell privately if the buyer has the right license so who knows.)

Also the BLOC said they will not support legislation that includes grandfathering, which means the NDP would have to support it for the legislation to pass, I don't know what their position is on this though.

Pftt...

Wrap them in a plastic bag and Drop each reciever half individualy in a 5 gallon bucket with concrete and rebar... Got to be safe and all.
150lb ar15s a cruiser can only pick up maybe 4 or 5 at a time lol.

Just make sure the serial number is visible, otherwise how do you prove there is an AR in that block?
 
Grandfathering with use completely defeats their message. They are claiming these guns are too dangerous to be in the hands of private citizens. Allowing us to keep using them would fly in the face of that. AR15s are already registered, the government is already controlling who owns them and they know where they are kept. The ONLY difference that grandfathering with use would do is make it illegal for retailers to sell them (and possibly private persons, depending how they go about it, but other prohibs are legal to sell privately if the buyer has the right license.)

Like I said it would cut them off at the tap. Ending new imports and their proliferation....blah blah blah about "alarming" changes to Cdn gun culture, etc. It would not be difficult to spin it as a win for what they set out to do while also claiming they were treating people who did nothing wrong fairly.

Quibbling about hypocrisy and ideological inconsistencies is a major hurdle for the right accomplishing anything in the political and cultural spheres. The left seems to understand this far better, and carves out wins wherever and whenever they can.
 
As much as NZ buyback "success" might serve a good example for Canadian liberals to follow, someone has to realize: the NZ population is like 6 times smaller than Canada as well as territory is 30 times smaller as well. It's like comparing Toronto dense area with whole Canada. To implement buyback logistics in Canada including all rural areas and small towns will cost way more then in NZ. The price to paid for the gun will be nothing comparing to the cost of processing. Liberals will sell the idea to shallow minded folks - it's like just a couple hundreds millions dollars to buy back. Without telling it is just a bare cost of metal thingies they buy. In fact, for every dollar to be compensated for the gun they will spend like 20 dollars for logistics around it. And taking into account this is Canada, it will be more like 50 dollars, and taking into account it will be organized by liberals - more so 100.
 
As much as NZ buyback "success" might serve a good example for Canadian liberals to follow, someone has to realize: the NZ population is like 6 times smaller than Canada as well as territory is 30 times smaller as well. It's like comparing Toronto dense area with whole Canada. To implement buyback logistics in Canada including all rural areas and small towns will cost way more then in NZ. The price to paid for the gun will be nothing comparing to the cost of processing. Liberals will sell the idea to shallow minded folks - it's like just a couple hundreds millions dollars to buy back. Without telling it is just a bare cost of metal thingies they buy. In fact, for every dollar to be compensated for the gun they will spend like 20 dollars for logistics around it. And taking into account this is Canada, it will be more like 50 dollars, and taking into account it will be organized by liberals - more so 100.

What makes you think they're going to set up shop in every small town? I suspect they will designate regional hubs. Live in Northern BC? Well, theres a drop off location in Prince George or Fort St John. You live in Western Ontario? Thunder Bay and Winnipeg have drop off locations. Those are a 6-8 hour drive away? Sucks to you!

Besides that, if the Liberals cared about the fiscal costs they wouldn't be doing this in the first place. Chances of a licensed gun owner committing a violent crime is extremely low, significantly lower than the average citizen. Our guns are not a real threat, but going after them brings in votes. Its political theatre, and the Canadian Tax Payer gets the bill not the Politicians.
 
If we have an election and Trudeau gets his majority back, there will be no buyback. Your "compensation" for turning in your firearms will be not going to jail. IMO there's your worse case scenario.
 
I'll probably take an angle grinder and zip disc to my receivers before I hand them over. I don't need the $500 cheque they will give me for my combined rifles. Screw em.

I agree. If I can't have it, some donut muncher at the cop shop is not going to "fix" the paperwork so it ends up in their collection.
 
If we have an election and Trudeau gets his majority back, there will be no buyback. Your "compensation" for turning in your firearms will be not going to jail. IMO there's your worse case scenario.

No buyback and no grandfathering will direct guns to the black market. Its literally the WORST thing they could do. (And yet, I wouldn't be all that surprised if they did just that. "Sorry boys, we can't afford it because of Covid, so give us your guns and you don't go to jail!")
 
If we have an election and Trudeau gets his majority back, there will be no buyback. Your "compensation" for turning in your firearms will be not going to jail. IMO there's your worse case scenario.

You think cops are going to try and steal prohibited firearms to put in their own private collection? Why? So they can live in constant fear of losing their job and going to jail just to put a hunk of metal they can't use in their collection?
 
No buyback and no grandfathering will direct guns to the black market. Its literally the WORST thing they could do. (And yet, I wouldn't be all that surprised if they did just that. "Sorry boys, we can't afford it because of Covid, so give us your guns and you don't go to jail!")

The Liberals are creating the black market to be fair, by allowing no legal avenue to keep our rightful property, they are forcing peoples' hands. Oh well anyway
 
You think cops are going to try and steal prohibited firearms to put in their own private collection? Why? So they can live in constant fear of losing their job and going to jail just to put a hunk of metal they can't use in their collection?

Since when do cops go to jail for firearms violations? At most a slap on the wrist.
 
Can we stop using the term grandfathering please. Actual “grandfathering” requires that anyone who owned the guns prior to May 1 would still be able to own and use them as always...This bastardization of the term grandfathering just furthers the gun control agenda and shouldn’t be tolerated, much less adopted by gun owners.


grand·fa·ther
/ˈɡran(d)ˌfäT͟Hər/

verb : grandfathering
exempt (someone or something) from a new law or regulation.
"smokers who worked here before the ban have been grandfathered"
 
Can we stop using the term grandfathering please. Actual “grandfathering” requires that anyone who owned the guns prior to May 1 would still be able to own and use them as always...This bastardization of the term grandfathering just furthers the gun control agenda and shouldn’t be tolerated, much less adopted by gun owners.


grand·fa·ther
/ˈɡran(d)ˌfäT͟Hər/

verb : grandfathering
exempt (someone or something) from a new law or regulation.
"smokers who worked here before the ban have been grandfathered"

Yeah, but this thread was called Worst Case Scenario, right?
 
You think cops are going to try and steal prohibited firearms to put in their own private collection? Why? So they can live in constant fear of losing their job and going to jail just to put a hunk of metal they can't use in their collection?

A small minority may.
I had witnessed this in the first wave of prohibs back in the 90's.
Just like some cops drink and drive and cause a death on the roadways.
Most are good cops. Like any profession, there are some bad apples in the mix.
Ie. Most are good humans, some are not good humans.
 
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