worst M14 Ka-BOOM EVER!

HOLY CRAP.....This guy is so lucky to not be hurt seriously....Well I'll be thinking about this next time I shoot my M-14.....and maybe I'll keep my left hand on the mag.....
 
Coyote Ugly said:
What's Norinco's Quality Control like, or do they even have Quality Control???

As Big Mike points out, the firearm was a Springfield not Norc.

If I understand you correctly though, you are aware of that and wondering the likelyhood of the same thing happening to a Norinco.

Maybe JohnOne will jump in on this one. He is the man most qualified to give us feedback on QC. He will have seen it all with the volume of M-305s he has moved.

I spoke to Roger at Dark last week and asked him about return rates due to poor QC in the Norincos he has sold. He said out of a couple hundred he has tested only one or two has not made the grade (FTE in both cases). I was satisfied enough to put an order in. That said I'll be looking for a USGI barrel to replace the Norc one anyhow...

With Norinco, QC seems to be something that could change day to day. They modify their product on the fly according to need or part supply from what I have read. Not exactly conducive to maintaining tight standards I would think.

Just hope you don't get a Friday or Monday gun I guess:D

It is strange that the barrel in question had absolutely no markings. What quality manufactuer wouldn't identify their product? Kind of strange.....
 
Max Power:

You all know I'm gonna say this again:

DON'T buy ONE !!

Buy TWO of them !!

That's my mantra (or 2 cents worth).....

Cheers,
Barney
 
Keep in mind also that Norc barrels are chrome lined, military style barrels. This does affect how the barrel handles stress. The Chinese have built one or two (million) firearms with this type of barrel and in fact are quite good at metallurgy. Remember that one of the really good things about the Norc is its forged receiver, which you cannot get from Springfield, and which is closer to GI spec dimensionally than Springfield.

PS. Check the date on that...it's been a while.
 
You guys can't possibly think that failure was due to the rifle .
The m14 platform is excellent and whether it was norc or springfield is imaterial , its designed to shoot 308 with a built in safety margin . the round in that gun wasn't built to spec.
I would agree with hungry .
 
Read the analyisis through to the end. Bad heat treating in the steel just like the early springfield 03 barrels. Every thing old is new again. Hatchers notebook (good read by the way) details a very similar problem and failure issue with certian wartime production 03 springfield barrels.(not the reciever, that was a seperate issue)

I would like to know where that barrel came from though.......no excuse for that in a modern barrel, and it clearly wasn't a mil-spec or mil-spec copy...
 
You got to wonder, after looking at the picture, if that's where the saying came from "My #### will fall off if I don't have USGI Parts in it" ! :D
 
Hungry has it right ...
your #### MAY fall off if you don't use GI parts [ or have a good gunsmith who knows what is what ]

When it comes to M-14 type rifles, I've PERSONALLY seen :

TWO Chinese barrels that literally unscrewed themselves. The Chinese barrels are pretty good dimensionally [ if you don't mind the extra 10 thou or so on the breech that intrudes just enough to make fitting a GI bolt so delightful on about 1/3 of the OLD models]
BUT
the heat treating in some of the OLD Chinese M-14S [ barrels AND receivers AND BOLTS!! ] WAS erratic. Which CAN mean the steel is NOT as hard as USGI specs. Which can mean that the barrel threads CAN actually deform or stretch enough to effect barrel draw. Which CAN mean that the only thing holding the barrel on is that tiny little screw they hide under the op rod.

And you thought they put those screws in there just to PI$$ you off when you wanted to replace the barrel with a GI??

The Chinese Receivers are EXCELLENT dimensionally ... usually much better than any of the CAST aftermarket receivers [ including SPROINGFIELD ].
BUT,
again the heat treatment on the OLD ones may be erratic. I've seen two that were a bit soft [ no big deal IF the bolt is fitted to have FULL bearing on the left lug ] and I've seen one that was WAY too hard =BRITTLE. That one cracked when being fitted up with a GI barrel.
OOPS!!!
[;{(

As for the old Chinese bolts, again, SOME of them were way too soft. And SOME of them had the left lug cut at too acute an angle.... which puts only a tiny portion of the left lug bearing surface actually taking the pressure. When you had a soft bolt that was also improperly cut, you got MASSIVE headspace in a few hundred rounds, as the pressure literally peened back the left lug.
Too Bad, so sad ... if you wanted warranty, you should have bought a Sproingfield.

BUT,
installing GI BOLT and GI BARREL almost always made a Chinese M-14 into a BETTER rifle than any other aftermarket M-14 clone you could get. And for a LOT less too.

PS: these opinions are NOT SPECULATION ... BTDT
I've owned over three doxen GENUINE M-14 rifles, 5 Sproingfields [ including SM, Match, and hand built custom target ] and [ God bless them every one [ about another two dozen Chinese M-14 rifles, including many that were all GI parts on a Chinese receiver.
[;{)
LAZ 1
 
Hungry said:
Max Power:

You all know I'm gonna say this again:

DON'T buy ONE !!

Buy TWO of them !!

That's my mantra (or 2 cents worth).....

Cheers,
Barney

I had a feeling you might say that Barney....

Had to smash the piggy bank for this one. As soon as I have the cash I will take your advice for sure. Hopefully Dark or Marstar will still have one left by then. Oh well, there is always the EE too.

Thanks.
 
ian_in_vic said:
Keep in mind also that Norc barrels are chrome lined, military style barrels. This does affect how the barrel handles stress. The Chinese have built one or two (million) firearms with this type of barrel and in fact are quite good at metallurgy.

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Chrome will protect steel, so Norinco should be OK for barrels. I shot a hot round by mistake once when I just started to reload and the barrel didn't blow. However, if you see chrome chipping out for any reason = your barrel is a toast. It would rust like crazy.
 
That report was very indepth. I had just finished going over some heavy duty Metallurgy info the week before, so all the talk of ferrite, austenite, pearlite, etc. sort of made sense.

Any word on who supplied the barrel, as that seems to be the culprit?

BTW, I believe that Sproingfield recieveres are cast in South America (?Chile?), then machined/finished in USA
 
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