Would U buy a SS Browning M-1000 Eclipse

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I have a bit of coin saved up for a rifle and I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on the Browning A-Bolt Stainless M-1000 in 270 WSM.
It has a 26 inch barrel with Boss 1 in 10 twist rate, weight 10 lbs.
The scope I want is a Leupold VX-7 3.5-14X50mm Long Range series with Varmint hunter reticle.
What your opinion on the match up of those two?
I want to shoot/hit 1000 yard targets. New shooter...
 
There are MUCH better calibres (and rifles, for that matter) for 1000yard shooting. Are there ANY pros or championship shooters using the browning platform?

I own an A-bolt, but I wouldn't consider it a 'match' rifle. Althought I've heard the m-1000 is accurate, I would stick to something with more 'support' from the community.

A customized Rem 700 in 300WM would be a better option (IMHO). I think most long range guys are using 6BR. I've never heard of ANYONE using a 270WSM.
 
tigrr said:
I want to shoot/hit 1000 yard targets. New shooter...
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That statement right there tells me you would be better off starting with a .223 or .308 and getting some trigger time before going long. The .223 and .308 are both qUite capable of reaching out that far. Something in a Rem configuration would be a great start for building something in the future.

Start at 100 until you can shoot consistent small groups, then out to 200 and do the same, 300, 400, 500...etc until you work your way out to the 1000 range.

Buying a Big Banger and going for the long shot is not the way to start out. Breathing, positioning, shot release, etc are things to work on first before going out shooting at 1000 Y/M targets with the latest and greatest Short Mag cartridge. Not to mention the awful flinch you will develop which will not help in any way in reaching those long distance targets.

You could have the most accurate custom laser beam rifle in your hands and if you don't know how to shoot it you may as well be using a sling shot.
 
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Also, you will probably want more than 14x on your scope for reaching out. Unless you are planning on shooting "minute of man" sized targets then you should look at minimum 24x but a 32 or 42x would be ideal.
 
My advice is if the price is really good (i.e. Below 1200 together) then get it and start shooting. 270 WSM isn't going to be cheap to shoot factory so I would recommend that you get a reloading setup. M1000 Eclipse is capable as long as you are and frankly even if you are learning it really doesn't matter if what you learn on. My first "precision" rifle was a Savage 30-06. I learnt to shoot on it and learnt what I wanted from a precision rifle and what was fluff. When you are ready to move on you can always trade in or sell it and build what you decide on later.
 
tigrr said:
I have a bit of coin saved up for a rifle and I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on the Browning A-Bolt Stainless M-1000 in 270 WSM.
It has a 26 inch barrel with Boss 1 in 10 twist rate, weight 10 lbs.
The scope I want is a Leupold VX-7 3.5-14X50mm Long Range series with Varmint hunter reticle.
What your opinion on the match up of those two?
I want to shoot/hit 1000 yard targets. New shooter...
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I guess all will depend on what your intended use is going to be.
For a hunting rifle that may have the potential of varmits only at 1000 yards, it may work, for any type of precision work, wrong rifle, wrong caliber and wrong scope.
the Browning Abolts have never been taken seriously as a precision rifle, some shoot ok, but very few are consistant sub 1/2 moa capable, the aftermarket parts are non existant so upgrades are minimal.
If a 10" group is what you feel you want at 1000 yards the rifle may do it, though not likely.
The 270 is an ok caliber but the selection of bullets and match brass that will be required to do any serious 1000 yard work is next to zero.
The VX7 is a great hunting scope, that is what it was designed for, for precision shooting there are far better options available.
 
For this type of money, the Savage F(O) in 6BR or 6.5X284 will do everything you want AND be accurate enough to compete at 1000yds.

If all you want is a plinker, there are a variety of Savages, Rems and Tikka that would do a much better job and be a more suitable cartridge/cal.

The Tikka HB in 6.5X55 should be a dandy rifle for plinking and hunting.

A Savage low profile in 22/250 with a 9 twist would buck the wind great for a 22 cal.

223 makes a wonderful entry level cartridge and if you get a true 9 twist as in Savages, you can push 75gr Amax/Bergers will beyond 1000yds ACCURATELY.

Nice part if you go Savage, you can swap barrels easily so you can have a small case for learning then swap in a boomer when the need arrives.

A magnum is not the place to start shooting as they are harder to tune and burn barrels in a hurry. The 270 has very few target bullets and accurate bullets make for hitting LR targets.

The scope can certainly work. For plinking at rocks, I like 16X as a comfy mag to spot my own hits and not get bogged down with mirage in the summer. You just need clear optics to make this happen.

As target shooters, we tend to use very high mag scopes cause we like to see. We also lean towards top quality glass to resolve well.

Lots and lots of examples of entry level rifles in this forum. Good luck with your search.

Jerry
 
This is why I like gunnutz. I think I will start out with this gun as a 1st long range gun. I will have to rethink the optics though.
I have put in the range time out to 500 yards and a little at 700 yards with a Browning Bar Safari in 270 cal, with a Leupold VXIII 3-9x40. Talk about hold over!!

Any suggestions about optics for the A-Bolt Stainless M-1000 Eclipse?
I would like to see out to 1000 yards.
 
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Bang for the buck, hard to beat an Elite 4200 6x24 - 50 Tactical. Nikon Buckmaster 6X18 SF is another inexpensive scope with great optics.

Nikon is making some very nice products but their reticle choices continue to be heavily bent towards short range hunters. The monarch 16, 20, 24X have superb glass. The Nikon Monarch X's should be winners if you don't need mag beyond 16X.

From here, you can consider the Sightron SIII LR, various Leupolds, and NF if the budget allows.

If you like low mag scopes, there are hordes of great 10X scopes with turrents. You can also put an elevation turrent on your VXIII and use that too.

Jerry
 
new Abolt model coming out for 2009, stainless 28" barrel, laminate stock with adjustable cheekpiece, single set trigger, chambered in either 223 (1-8 twist) 308, or 300 WSM

price to be about $1400 - watch for it
 
tigrr said:
I just heard it could take up to a year to get one of the SS M-1000 A-bolts in 270WSM. aaarrrrrr!
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That wouldnt suprise me in the least bit. Browning have been pretty much impossible to get in lately, Ive had BLR's and 17HMR T-bolts on order for a few months now.
 
Unless you are reloading and using rare match type 270 bullets, yoiu are going to be stuck with using components that simply do not have the accuarcy for "precision" shooting. This is a hunting cartridge plain and simple. Furthermore, you are not going to get precision results with a factory gun shooting 1000 yards. This is where every inconsistency in barrels, reloading, and components makes feet of difference.

The 270 short mag is a necked-down 300WSM. If you really want to start with such a large punishing case, go with something in a 300, but frankly, if long range precision shooting is your true goal, get a 223 or 308. If it is the gun you want more than what the gun can do, buy whatever you think looks coolest. One factory gun is the same as another.
 
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Just Bought The new browning x bolt in 300 wsm love the rifle insanely light and recoil has been reduced Sufficiently been doing some shooting out to 600 + yards with it and have never been more impressed with a stock gun Straight from factory.
 
Would I buy one? no!

1) The cartridge is a poor choice: Expensive to feed, no precision ammo for it
2) WSM's are hard on barrels
3) 270 is a poor choice for bullet selection
4) Magnums are very poor choices for learning to shoot anything
5) the rifle is a very poor choice for uprgrading

If you are really set on spending that much on a rifle, there are far better choices for a 1000 yard gun. There was a Savage F/TR rifle in the EE that would be the perfect 100-1200 yard rifle to begin with.


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Start at 100 until you can shoot consistent small groups, then out to 200 and do the same, 300, 400, 500...etc until you work your way out to the 1000 range.

Buying a Big Banger and going for the long shot is not the way to start out. Breathing, positioning, shot release, etc are things to work on first before going out shooting at 1000 Y/M targets with the latest and greatest Short Mag cartridge. Not to mention the awful flinch you will develop which will not help in any way in reaching those long distance targets.
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sage advice!
 
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