would you like Norinco to make a Garand repro?

would you purchase a M1 Garand if Norinco would market it?

  • YES, I like the M14 and therefor I'd get a Garand too

    Votes: 105 63.3%

  • I really don't care about them. M14 is a superior design and already in production

    Votes: 10 6.0%

  • NO, it would be a blasphemy and I doubt they'd get the same tooling anyways.

    Votes: 51 30.7%
  • Total voters
    166
Oddbawl said:
What does an M1a have to do with a $400-$800 USGI or Italian BATTLE PROVEN rifle with no qc issues since '45 or so?
This whole thing is kind of silly, Norc hasn't made one, we don't know what the price would be, and real Garands are out there and fairly easy to get. If they were prohib, I could see a good loophole for a knock off but they aren't. If USGI M14s by Winchester etc, weren't prohib, I doubt anyone would bother with the Norcs. Kinda the same with the M1, only they made around 7 million of them.
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Get me a garand for 460 and I will agree with you.
 
You wouldn't get a built from scratch with no QC issues Norinco M-1 for 460 either. And with a rifle as complicated as an M-1, QC would be critical.
There is a greater chance of more batches of real M-1s appearing than Norinco tooling up to make them.
 
Get me a garand for 460 and I will agree with you.
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Just snagged a '41 Springfield that needs about $150 worth of work to get it back to original for $400, wait till you see pictures of the bubba job! They are out there. EE seems to inflate prices a bit, but from what I've seen there M1s get snapped up pretty quickly even at inflated prices, whatever the market bears I suppose.
 
Eventhough Garands are still are available, I'd rather sacrifice and shoot the sh*t out of a Norc Garand and extend the life of an original :)
 
To bad Norinco can't import semi's into the US market, they could make a fortune selling copies of MP-40's, Garand's etc to the re-enactors.
 
Tooling up, from scratch, to manufacture a quality M-1, would be a major undertaking. Consider the cost of the M-1s being sold in the US that have been set up using all original parts, with a new receiver. Even making only the stripped receiver has been a challenge. The first batch that Lithgow did weren't acceptable. Without the US market, how many Norinco M-1 clones could be sold a year? Enough to justify the capitalization, deveopment and production learning curve? If the US market were opened to China, it could certainly stimulate production. It would also boost QC. Some of the product allowed into the US is of higher quality than most Norinco.
Unless a manufacturer in China, or anywhere else, were able to access original drawings, the rifle would have to be reverse engineered, and that would do little to insure QC.
Highly unlikely, but if Beretta still had the tooling, etc. from their M-1 production, that would be exciting.
 
tiriaq said:
Unless a manufacturer in China, or anywhere else, were able to access original drawings, the rifle would have to be reverse engineered, and that would do little to insure QC.
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Original receiver drawings are not hard to come by. I have some (well, working copies of originals...) for the M1 and the M14. They are available online for those who seek them.

Cheers,
Michael in Edmonton
 
I don’t see that going to happen. First the US market would have to be open (I don’t think it would sell here) Second, are not there millions of surplus M1s out there. Korea, Philippines, Vietnam etc. I don’t know, but is Canada held to the same Lend Lease laws like the US? I believe that is why they don’t get back into the USA.
 
As far as manufacturing drawings go - when the Cdn. Gov't took over the Ross rifle plant in 1917, included in the takeover were 13,266 drawings of rifle parts, machines, tools, jigs and fixtures. A print of a receiver isn't going to get a complex rifle into production.
 
Oddbawl said:
Just snagged a '41 Springfield that needs about $150 worth of work to get it back to original for $400, wait till you see pictures of the bubba job! They are out there. EE seems to inflate prices a bit, but from what I've seen there M1s get snapped up pretty quickly even at inflated prices, whatever the market bears I suppose.
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so you need to put work into it. You also stated that the seller just wanted to get their money back.

Garands are selling for 950. If I can get a lookalike as a shooter for 400 something then why not?
 
IF you could get a lookalike shooter for $400.... How realistic is it to expect that an M-1 clone could retail for $400 Canadian? The $399 for the 305s is not an indicator that an M-1 could be marketed for that price.
 
I never said the seller wanted to get his money back, no idear where you got that from. I paid what it's worth. It's a shooter as it is now. Yep, to get it back to ORIGINAL it needs $150 worth of work. $400 + $150 = $550. I'll take that over a tenative $400 chinese knock off any day. I haven't seen a $950 garand sell here yet, but maybe I missed it, (I do try to keep tabs on these little devils as they run through the EE) No distance sounds of a seller laughing all the way to the bank either. If you watch these $950 Garands, the tend to last about a week on ee. A week because that's the limit to bump the add back to the top with a lower price. If nobody pays 950, it ain't worth 950. If you pay 950, unless it belonged to Patton or Audie Murphy, I think you're huffing glue anyway. :) Recently picked up a near mint Breda for $650. That's 2 M1s for a hunnert buck more than one of Audie Murphy's. I've got no special powers or anything, these guns are out there at almost reasonable prices. Dig man! Dig! Then again, I suppose reasonable is relative too.
 
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The line starts behind me... I seem to remember a website outta the US with newly MFG recievers that were semi only, I bet the interest would be there if the could be imported.
 
I see not need for repro Garands. By the time you fix them up with a new stock, etc. they will end up costing as much as a nice genuine garand. The last thing we need is yet another Norinco knockoff of fiirearms that are commonly available anyways.

A legal semi-auto inexpensive belt-fed or an inexpensive .50 cal rifle would fill a void.
 
why do you guys kep saying things about the mods of Norinco?

I see no end to this but to ask one of the guys to break it down for you....
What kind of modifications are you making on the M305 to end up more expensive than the M1A?

to get a decent shooter - comparable with any stock M1A you only need a stock. 200$ is what one would maximum cost.

So here you are with a 600 $, and a better receiver than the 1600$ Springfield.

if you think about making it Nationam Match, take a look at the price SA sells them for.....

An for real.... some of the guys here built tac drivers for way less than what the Whitefeather costs (4500US).

A garand stock is under 100. What seems to be the problem in there? 400 + 100 = 5oo for a new garand. Everyone else seems to like the AIA Enfields....
 
762Russian said:
+1 for a BREN...

And a PPSh41 SMG in semi-only... That would make my day to see that...
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Oh yess, er, I think I just wet myself thinking of that, either one would rock. I'd love to show up at the range and pull out the drum mag and stick it on. The A@#$@#$% RSO we have would crap a brick:dancingbanana:
 
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