A couple of extra inches on that barrel wouldn't change your fun one bit but it would change the fact the govt would have no idea where that rifle was or who owned it.
Would you?
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A couple of extra inches on that barrel wouldn't change your fun one bit but it would change the fact the govt would have no idea where that rifle was or who owned it.
4.5".of additioqnal Barrel would turn this "rifle" into a "Pinnichio"-like abomination in my eyes, but I understand your point. My point is that I simply don't care if "they" happen to know that I have one more Restricted rifle. It doesn't unduly "restrict" where I can discharge the rifle, as my wheelchair is pretty much confined to the flat range for accessibility reasons anyways.
Nope I'd never buy a restricted in Canada.
Especially a Bren 2 since a NR model is coming.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't for any number of reasons (war demand, supply chain issues, etc). I bought my restricted model before the last-minute handgun registration transfers exploded, so I had it last July after a 2-week wait. My plan is to enjoy the heck out of it, and IF the NR rifles appear then I will consider selling my rifle for a modest loss in order to buy the Canadianized 18.5" version with a long Handguard. Easy-Peasey. Meanwhile, I'll have had over a year with the rifle already. Realistically, that means somewhere in the neighborhood of 40+ (out of 52 possible) Range Trips with the Bren 2. It has definitely been worthwhile owning the Restricted version!
What practical difference would it have made if that rifle were NR? You still wouldn't be able to take it to the range for fear of being ratted out, and would be taking a considerable risk transporting it back and forth to Crown Land for fear of a roadside check-stop or an encounter with a Conservation Officer. The only practical way that it makes a difference is that they know you have it. That is still an awfully long ways away from forcible confiscation, in the highly unlikely even that the situation should come to that. The fact of the matter is that the Feds still have no clue how to go about confiscating your rifle. They have yet to figure out that the only Canadians with an appetite for the confiscationi of legally-owned private property are themselves....
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I'm with you, but not everyone can tolerate the idea of taking any kind of a loss on firearm ownership. Personally, I look at it as if I'm renting any firearm that I buy. Regardless of how long you own and enjoy it, there is a cost of ownership calculation you can make. Different for everyone...
Again, I'm with you. But lots of guys don't like the uncertainty, or object to it simply on principle.
Frankly, I find the debate in these kinds of threads interesting, but it rarely changes my mind on anything.
I'm no haughty scofflaw, but those examples are not likely in any way for me.
This is what I mean about restricted bans: The ban/confiscation is going ahead, they (LPC) plan to begin this year and have released public statements about it. This is happening, even if it's set up to be a jugfrig.
They will come for what's registered, and likely expect voluntary compliance for surrendering whatever isn't.
Does an NR version even mean you're safe these days? Unless you buy it via private sale, retailers need to keep records, so the RCMP just needs to petition them for all purchases of (insert rifle here) that were made when, and by whom, and now the RCMP knows you own a prohibited NR (an oxymoron, I know, but this is Canada after all).
All these measures were put into place systematically, for the big ban hammer they planned. It's quite genius when you think about it.
All these measures were put into place systematically, for the big ban hammer they planned. It's quite genius when you think about it.
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No, they simply know that you bought one; there is no record if a NR is/was sold privately by its original owner. As much caterwauling as we hear about the "backdoor registry" or whatever it is that they are calling it, the simple fact is that it does not record the details of individual sales. There is a record that you verified a specific individual's PAL; that's it, no details regarding any gun being bought or sold. Before the new regs, there wasn't even that.
I love hearing all the courageous anarchists giving each other instructions on how to beat the feds by burying their firearms; cosmoline, wrapped in Pampers, sealed in PVC canisters and then lovingly interred under the sod. But, hey, you still have your guns...sort of...so I guess you showed them, huh? Good going!
Private sale ref numbers make it infinitely easier for NR guns to be tracked. It's the whole point of the system being put in place. The first sale from the dealer is easy, subsequent sales require a bit of investigative work but when all possible endpoints are already in the computers, phone calls are easy to make.
"Hi Joe this is the RCMP, you bought a NR Bren on Jul7th 2022, we see you pinged Mike Bob and Steve as PAL references between September 2022 and July 2023, which one of those gentlemen did you sell your gun to?"
Maybe your memory sucks, fine. But they've still got Mike, Bob and Steve to call next. So yeah I'd consider it a backdoor registry indeed. Just one of marginally less convenience for the authorities.
"Hi Joe this is the RCMP, you bought a NR Bren on Jul7th 2022, we see you pinged Mike Bob and Steve as PAL references between September 2022 and July 2023, which one of those gentlemen did you sell your gun to?"
Maybe your memory sucks, fine. But they've still got Mike, Bob and Steve to call next. So yeah I'd consider it a backdoor registry indeed. Just one of marginally less convenience for the authorities.
That ^ is true, and might be of concern if the buyer has done 1 or 2 verifications in the time between purchasing and "selling". Personally, I have done a fair number of private transactions since the system came into effect...and many more verifications than transactions. A verification is no guarantee that any transaction has occurred. Each verification exponentially increases the difficulty of tracing any given firearm.
"Hi, John, this is the RCMP. You bought a ### in March/23, a YYY and a ZZZ in May, a AAA in June and a BBB in July. We see you pinged Mike, Bob, Steve, Fred, Gustav, Dave, Tony, Raoul, Frank and the Barducci triplets between March and July. Who bought what?"
Have fun with all those endpoints...each of which points to even more endpoints...I'd call that much more than merely a "marginal" inconvenience.
I'm sure this was indeed intended as a registry of sorts. Thank goodness that the governmental penchant for overcomplicating stuff, which normally works to hinder us...in this case will result in them tangling up their own feet in red tape. This system can certainly be tweaked in ways that will eventually hamstring us, but...as it stands...it is nothing but a PITA for them and for us, achieving very little other than laying the groundwork for more BS coming down the road in the future.
"Hi, John, this is the RCMP. You bought a ### in March/23, a YYY and a ZZZ in May, a AAA in June and a BBB in July. We see you pinged Mike, Bob, Steve, Fred, Gustav, Dave, Tony, Raoul, Frank and the Barducci triplets between March and July. Who bought what?"
Have fun with all those endpoints...each of which points to even more endpoints...I'd call that much more than merely a "marginal" inconvenience.
I'm sure this was indeed intended as a registry of sorts. Thank goodness that the governmental penchant for overcomplicating stuff, which normally works to hinder us...in this case will result in them tangling up their own feet in red tape. This system can certainly be tweaked in ways that will eventually hamstring us, but...as it stands...it is nothing but a PITA for them and for us, achieving very little other than laying the groundwork for more BS coming down the road in the future.
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Yeah there's definitely room for obfuscation. I suppose it depends heavily on how many transactions one does. I rarely buy and sell so it would be fairly simple. In fact this is one reason why I've stopped buying guns entirely at this stage - at least the kind which are likely to be banned. I wouldn't trust a seller to protect my anonymity for one sec, and getting left holding the bag like so many AR owners is just a raw damn deal. As much as I'd love a Bren right about now ...
