wow did i get scammed or what?
- Thread starter rgbai
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- Location
- Calgary, AB
Whether he thinks it's real or not tell him you are dissatisfied with the purchase and would like to return it for a refund. If that doesn't work I would launch a complaint with the website since again no where does he call it a replica.
NorthCoastBigBore
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- Location
- Northwest BC (Rural) 103-I-##
In fact, if the cut 'n' paste in the first page of the thread is accurate, he calls it an "antique" and a "collector's piece" so...that is, or could be construed as, a warranty.
Good luck
- Location
- Kawartha Lakes, Ontario
Ouch!
Those pics are disturbing. How anyone could represent that as a genuine antique firearm is beyond me.
The guy does appear to have a perfect record on the site, so my guess is that he is just terribly naive and not a scammer.
Hope it works out for you.
Those pics are disturbing. How anyone could represent that as a genuine antique firearm is beyond me.
The guy does appear to have a perfect record on the site, so my guess is that he is just terribly naive and not a scammer.
Hope it works out for you.
Hey rgbai, I just had a look at all those pics and to be honest I can see how you thought it could be authentic. There sure seems to be a lot of fine details in it that you wouldn't normally see in a replica, for all I could tell that was an antique. Obviously I am no expert and without seeing it in person it is hard to be sure but I for one would have thought it was an antique as well. Again, I hope you get it all sorted out.
I'm not saying this in any way as a critique, but my opinion is that he was pretty up front and took a fair number of pics that clearly showed that the gun was in very rough shape and of very low quality.
I'm mixed feelings because there are a lot of clear pics, he described it reasonably well and it is nonetheless antique as he describes. On the other hand, he offers 3 day returns, so if you're unhappy that's a responsibility he has accepted... but frankly I don't see much as a surprise between what you've said and what he posted on the auction.
Personally I would chalk it up to an experience thing. Unless there's something I haven't noticed, the gun was very clearly not a shooter, or possibly even not repairable from the photos - pics seldom lie and ask lots of questions.
I'm mixed feelings because there are a lot of clear pics, he described it reasonably well and it is nonetheless antique as he describes. On the other hand, he offers 3 day returns, so if you're unhappy that's a responsibility he has accepted... but frankly I don't see much as a surprise between what you've said and what he posted on the auction.
Personally I would chalk it up to an experience thing. Unless there's something I haven't noticed, the gun was very clearly not a shooter, or possibly even not repairable from the photos - pics seldom lie and ask lots of questions.
Well, somebody somewhere worked diligently on that piece, to that point there is no doubt. Unfortunately, this someone is clearly "learning his trade". My bet is a child who is practicing his trade as a replica gun maker (Khyber pass?) and, most likely bought as a novelty in a bazaar from our recent action in Afghanistan. If it's any consolation it is old (or at least parts of it are!?).
Black powder and projectiles belong nowhere near this...gun OP.
Black powder and projectiles belong nowhere near this...gun OP.
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Custom fees cannot be refunded unless there was not suppose to be any charged at first, like if the good has been misclassified.
You can have the taxes refunded with a proof that the article got back to the US, see the back of the customs paperwork you got with the package for full details
Call it tuition on the "University of Life" an don't vest too much of your life in trying to make it good.
Unless you need a hobby.
And, by make it good, I mean the business deal, not the <cough> gun. Just on that note, WTF were you thinking anyway?
That thing is FUGLY!
Read up on the US Antique laws and other than the guy's assertions that it was from the 1800's (1960 through 1980's more likely, but quite possibly a recent bring-back from the sandbox areas.) the pictures are pretty much telling me that the ,<cough> "gun" is strictly decorative, at least if you wanted to build yourself a particularly ugly "Tourism India" themed gun room.
Should have New Delhi Streetcorner Waterpipe Barrel Co. proof mark on it, under the barrel eh? That would be the smooth part that they didn't bother to put any work into making it look antique-ish, where it wouldn't be seen!
Cheers
Trev
Unless you need a hobby.
And, by make it good, I mean the business deal, not the <cough> gun. Just on that note, WTF were you thinking anyway?
That thing is FUGLY!
Read up on the US Antique laws and other than the guy's assertions that it was from the 1800's (1960 through 1980's more likely, but quite possibly a recent bring-back from the sandbox areas.) the pictures are pretty much telling me that the ,<cough> "gun" is strictly decorative, at least if you wanted to build yourself a particularly ugly "Tourism India" themed gun room.
Should have New Delhi Streetcorner Waterpipe Barrel Co. proof mark on it, under the barrel eh? That would be the smooth part that they didn't bother to put any work into making it look antique-ish, where it wouldn't be seen!
Cheers
Trev
By legal definition this piece of junk qualifies as an antique firearm in the USA. It looks obvious in the pictures that this is not a true "period" firearm but a cheap Indian or Pakistani copy. Buyer beware is still good advice.
If it were me, I would do this:
1.Documentation: Make copies of the GB auction including pictures and description, ensure you have proof of payment, and the seller's name and address. Take your own pictures showing the inconsistancies on the blunderbusss.
2. Leave negative feedback for the seller on GB. Keep it civil and accurate: "antique blunderbuss sold as "circa 1800s" is a cheap modern replica."
3. Send a message to the seller informing him you will wait 3 days for him to respond or you will file a fraud complaint against him with police and Gun Broker.
4. If you don't get a reply from the seller in 3 days - File a fraud complaint with local police in the seller's area. This is where your documentation is needed.
5. File fraud with GB 30 days after the date of auction.
The seller misrepresented the item when he said it is "circa 1800s". That is fraudulent. Seeing as how the seller has 400 positive feedback and no negative, I would bet he contacts you. But if he doesn't take some action to fix the problem, then you have done everything you can to warn other people about him. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going on the attack - but keep it civil. If it turns into a pi$$ing match your chances of getting your money back are poor.
If it were me, I would do this:
1.Documentation: Make copies of the GB auction including pictures and description, ensure you have proof of payment, and the seller's name and address. Take your own pictures showing the inconsistancies on the blunderbusss.
2. Leave negative feedback for the seller on GB. Keep it civil and accurate: "antique blunderbuss sold as "circa 1800s" is a cheap modern replica."
3. Send a message to the seller informing him you will wait 3 days for him to respond or you will file a fraud complaint against him with police and Gun Broker.
4. If you don't get a reply from the seller in 3 days - File a fraud complaint with local police in the seller's area. This is where your documentation is needed.
5. File fraud with GB 30 days after the date of auction.
The seller misrepresented the item when he said it is "circa 1800s". That is fraudulent. Seeing as how the seller has 400 positive feedback and no negative, I would bet he contacts you. But if he doesn't take some action to fix the problem, then you have done everything you can to warn other people about him. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going on the attack - but keep it civil. If it turns into a pi$$ing match your chances of getting your money back are poor.
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For clarification, it also legally qualifies as antique here in Canada. Not an antique in regards to age, but in regards to antique status.
Doesn't help OP at all, but seems there's lots of misunderstanding on how antique law works, so figure it's an opportunity to help some cgn'ers out.
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- The Badlands
It may be a case where the seller got scammed when he bought it , and then passed it on to you in hopes of getting his money back . I guess when you buy over the net , it is BUYER BEWARE as this type of stuff seems to happen all the time....very sad...
Your space bar and shift key don't work.
"...would only take a M/O..." That's the same as cash. It's gone. Best you read Gunbroker's rules.
"...or the buyer can legally go after him..." Any legal action would require hiring a U.S. lawyer at enormous expense.
"...would only take a M/O..." That's the same as cash. It's gone. Best you read Gunbroker's rules.
"...or the buyer can legally go after him..." Any legal action would require hiring a U.S. lawyer at enormous expense.
He did finally get back to me he asked me to explain what was wrong with it and why i thought it wasn't a real gun so i gave him a long list of things that
were wrong with it.i got this response back the next day
you can return it that is not a problem
it is crude i was told at allentown gun show it was good there were 4others similar
but you can return it sorry you don't like it
thanks Tom
So that tells me he got scammed and was trying to pass it on to someone else
when i read gunbrokers fraud claims program it says they only cover buyers and sellers residing in the us if your not in the us there's no coverage.
were wrong with it.i got this response back the next day
you can return it that is not a problem
it is crude i was told at allentown gun show it was good there were 4others similar
but you can return it sorry you don't like it
thanks Tom
So that tells me he got scammed and was trying to pass it on to someone else
when i read gunbrokers fraud claims program it says they only cover buyers and sellers residing in the us if your not in the us there's no coverage.
You're jumping to conclusions. He's allowing you to return it without argument and isn't acting like a scammer at all, more like a stand-up trader. It's harsh for you to say he was "trying to pass it on to someone else" when it's just as possible he was fooled the same as you were. The fact he has almost 400 positive feedback and his reply tells me he isn't a guy who tries to pull a scam.
