WSM vs Win Mag / Rem Mag
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Republic of Alberta
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Yes, I own many rifes chamberd for all different kinds of brass containers.
Republic of Alberta said:
Do you have any argument to back up this statement?
I hear people bashing new cartridges all the time... with rhetoric and obtuse statements like this.
All the changes in Firearms Technology for the last 200 years have been incremental. A little at a time, to get us to the level of technology we are at today.
You call it hype... I call it progress.
BIGREDD said:All the changes in Firearms Technology for the last 200 years have been incremental. A little at a time, to get us to the level of technology we are at today.
You call it hype... I call it progress.
You are right. Firearms have progressed little by little over the last 200yrs, but the fundamentals of the sport have remained the same and most hunters are not taking full advantage of the new firearm technology.
Most game is shot at ranges less than 200yds so the ballistic advantages are moot.
Short mags are more efficient, but not many people shoot that much to take much advantage of that efficiency.
The Short Mags seem to be pretty accurate, but I think some of it has to do with the fact that they are chambered in modern, accurate rifles. These same rifles are shooting nice groups with the standard calibers as well. Good example here is the Tikka T3.
Short mags rifles are lighter than the magnum equivalents, but that comes with a cost, as in recoil.
I think some of the SMs are pretty good calibers, esp the 270WSM, but some are are just plain silly like the 323 and the 224. The Remingtons died pretty quick. Time will tell which ones survive.
I'd even think about buying a 270WSM, but I'd have to eat too much crow to do it.
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BIGREDD said:Do you have any argument to back up this statement?
I hear people bashing new cartridges all the time... with rhetoric and obtuse statements like this.
All the changes in Firearms Technology for the last 200 years have been incremental. A little at a time, to get us to the level of technology we are at today.
You call it hype... I call it progress.
Red, your gonna be pissed at me but I find that people that lack knowalge buy into hype
. If anyone makes the statement that a short case is more effient (gets more velocity with less powder at the same pressure) they have not done thier internal ballistic homework. Potentental velocity of a cartrige is detiermined by case capacity not case shape. This can be backed up mathematicly. Velocity rises at 1/4 the rate of case capacity. The thing with the short mags is that there is no real "incremental change" that is to say, there has been no new technology layed down. We have not been able to break any balistic rules with the short mags. Even the case shape is nothing new, people were wild cating when I was still on the boobie.
All and all it comes down to the fact that the new rounds are a variation on exisitng knowlage and technology. There is nothing new here.
The act of selling a new cartrige based on hype and out right lies is why many people bash the short mags.
I gotta go now so I can bash the new "smootest feeding magnum ever invented"
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Had 300 wsm, harder to reload and maintain the accuracy of the 300 win mag.
Got rid of the wsm and get a 300 wm. I like the 300 win mag much better.
Got rid of the wsm and get a 300 wm. I like the 300 win mag much better.
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scott_r said:
The point I was trying to make is that the guys that are competeing tend to jump on any advantage possible, yet in full bore LR competitions the jump to the "new" calibers has been very slow. It may be that they are all old and stuck in the past, but I doubt it. There must be some reason the "old" calibers that are proven to work do not die of old age.
Whether the intent is hunting, plinking or full out competition, the basic math still is relevant.
Some of us do carry 1000 yard plus, capable guns in the field as well for hunting
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wsm vs win mag /Rem mag
I call the WSM"s.....new rubber on an old wheel
I call the WSM"s.....new rubber on an old wheel
http://www.realguns.com/loads/270wsm.htm
270 wsm info.....
303carbine, it may be new rubber on an old wheel but she sure flies.... 150gr at 3200 fps
270 wsm info.....
303carbine, it may be new rubber on an old wheel but she sure flies.... 150gr at 3200 fps
Republic of Alberta said:Red, your gonna be pissed at me but I find that people that lack knowalge buy into hype
The thing with the short mags is that there is no real "incremental change" that is to say, there has been no new technology layed down. We have not been able to break any balistic rules with the short mags. Even the case shape is nothing new, people were wild cating when I was still on the boobie.
All and all it comes down to the fact that the new rounds are a variation on exisitng knowlage and technology. There is nothing new here.
The act of selling a new cartrige based on hype and out right lies is why many people bash the short mags.
I gotta go now so I can bash the new "smootest feeding magnum ever invented"
Well for starters if I was going to claim to be knowledgeable or infer that someone else was lacking knowledge... I would make sure I could spell it first.
At least learn to use spell check on your puter.
Efficiency is not just about pressures and your using the same old argument about equalizing pressure to make your comparison. The same arguments have been used by people for every new cartridge ever developed.
You are entitled to your opinion but your suggestion that all the people that use the short fat case design have been lied to and deceived is simply rediculous.
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If you think about it there has been nothing new since the brass case and primers were invented. Everything else is just bells and whistles on the new wheel.
Everything else is just bells and whistles on the new wheel.The whole shooting sports industry is market driven... what would you guys rather see... no new development. No advertising campaigns. No Gun Magazines. No lobby for our shooting and hunting rights. You guys have your heads in the sand.... deep.
