WSSM's.. Debunking the Myths

[Levi Garrett]

Around 10 years ago , maybe more, a new cartridge was really Cooking up a storm . The Macaroni was well covered in magazines, way better than the winchester 356/307/7-30 , and I liked it better than the short mag . So you can say good bye to the little fat jobs, they won't make it.

 

[Calum]

I have been talking to my Australian Brother in law who is up visiting us this week with my wifes Sister, and he brought along some interesting, and depressing info, and a neat Australian gun magazine.

He said it is not only expensive to buy, and reload ammo in OZ, but one cannot even mail parts and components to each other like here in Canada...All mail is scanned, and I can't mail him anything firearms related...anything, and that includes Him mailing me stuff.

Also Gunshows are tightly controlled.

No wonder I hear about auzzies converting .303's to .223.

 

[kombi1976]

I have been talking to my Australian Brother in law who is up visiting us this week with my wifes Sister, and he brought along some interesting, and depressing info, and a neat Australian gun magazine.

Well, yeah, there are plenty of depressing things about the firearms situation in Oz.

He said it is not only expensive to buy, and reload ammo in OZ,

Although factory ammo costs an arm & a leg it's actually considerably cheaper to reload even though it may not be as cheap as it is for you.
But then you're a drive away from the USA and your currency is worth more than ours.

but one cannot even mail parts and components to each other like here in Canada...All mail is scanned, and I can't mail him anything firearms related...
anything, and that includes Him mailing me stuff.

Actually you can send stuff internally with little trouble.
In fact a lot of guys label stuff "sporting goods" and the goes straight through.
But you can't mail stuff overseas.
It has to go by FedEx or DHL.
Zip! Up goes the cost.
There's also the customs permits needed.
So if you must have gun parts from Oz you'll be paying for them.

Also Gunshows are tightly controlled.

Well, yeah.

No wonder I hear about auzzies converting .303's to .223.

Really?
Who from?
I've heard of people converting 310 Cadet actions to 223 and 222 but only for something different.
There are so many relatively inexpensive smallbores out there you wouldn't bother re-barreling a poor old No1 MkIII.
But yeah, things are pretty bad down here.
Mind you, they aren't as bad as Britain for the most part.

 

[Calum]

I found this in searching the interweb...
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/no4223/index.asp

Kind'a neat IMHO.

Also good to hear about FedEx and DHL.
Sorry to digress/hijack the thread abit.

 

[kombi1976]

Mate, hijack away.
Most of us are bandits for it.
Especially me......I'm frivolous, didn't you know?

 

[SuperCub]

Especially me......I'm frivolous, didn't you know?

You're lucky to get to be "frivolous"............. I got dumb olde, "special".




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[BIGREDD]

I've ALWAYS said they were something new.......just not the everything new some would have us believe.
A 220 Swift in a super short action to paraphrase your own words.....sounds new to me.
But the Swift performance ISN'T new.
For many years people could buy a 220 Swift and get the performance they now can obtain from the 223 WSSM.
Is it wrong to say this?

Not at all but you also claimed the wssm's to be barrel burners which is bulls**t.

BR, if you look closely I have no issues with you owning, using and encouraging others to buy a WSSM and may you have many pleasing years of use for them.
In fact they are fine cartridges.
But lets not labour the point anymore.
Different cartridges of different shapes and sizes will at times have similar ballistic properties and there is nothing either of us can do about it.

OK... but you used the similarity argument to dismiss the wssm's kombi, not I.
This whole thread was about the myths surrounding wssm's and your posts were definitely feeding this misinformation.
You want to concede that you were wrong about them being barrel burners? Or tell me another drunken sailor story.....

 

[Eagleye]

I usually try to stay out of these WSM, WSSM postulations, but there is an interesting test comparison in the February Handloader magazine. The article is written by John Barnsness, with the actual testing done by Charlie Sisk. The idea was to compare Accuracy/Velocity, etc in two cartridges of almost identical capacities, but with radically different shapes. Guess which ones? The 300 H&H and the 300 WSM. The same barrel was used for both tests, with the initial chambering being the 300 H&H, and after that the barrel was cut off in the back a bit, leaving the throat area as intact as possible, and running a 300 WSM reamer in to cut the new chamber. The tests were not run too long, so as not to induce too much throat erosion, and thus skew the results. Three different powders were used with two different bullet weights (150 & 180 grain) When the dust settled, there was NO difference in the performance of the two. In fact the accuracy average leaned slightly to the 300 H&H!! (.58" vs .76") Velocity average was practically identical (3076 vs 3082) Bottom line IN THIS INSTANCE......Case shape and length mean diddley squat in the real world of hunters and casual shooters. While I'm all for innovation and R & D, the hype is just that, hype! If you prefer a short action that delivers the same performance as the long one, then the WSM is for you, but more efficient? A lot more accuracy? You decide. Regards, Eagleye. BR, you can shoot now, my bulletproof armor is on..

 

[SuperCub]

When the dust settled, there was NO difference in the performance of the two.

Gasp!!


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[MTM]

WSSMs

Good post Eagleye, better keep your head down.

 

[Calum]

And there yah have it.

 

[Eagleye]

Good post Eagleye, better keep your head down.

As I said, I have my armor on and am observing the horizon for incoming missiles with my name on them. Eagleye.

 

[Salty]

Woah! Who needs body shots when you've got this for a shot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleye
When the dust settled, there was NO difference in the performance of the two.

That deserves a few smilies



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[BIGREDD]

I usually try to stay out of these WSM, WSSM postulations, but there is an interesting test comparison in the February Handloader magazine. The article is written by John Barnsness, with the actual testing done by Charlie Sisk. The idea was to compare Accuracy/Velocity, etc in two cartridges of almost identical capacities, but with radically different shapes. Guess which ones? The 300 H&H and the 300 WSM. The same barrel was used for both tests, with the initial chambering being the 300 H&H, and after that the barrel was cut off in the back a bit, leaving the throat area as intact as possible, and running a 300 WSM reamer in to cut the new chamber. The tests were not run too long, so as not to induce too much throat erosion, and thus skew the results. Three different powders were used with two different bullet weights (150 & 180 grain) When the dust settled, there was NO difference in the performance of the two. In fact the accuracy average leaned slightly to the 300 H&H!! (.58" vs .76") Velocity average was practically identical (3076 vs 3082) Bottom line IN THIS INSTANCE......Case shape and length mean diddley squat in the real world of hunters and casual shooters. While I'm all for innovation and R & D, the hype is just that, hype! If you prefer a short action that delivers the same performance as the long one, then the WSM is for you, but more efficient? A lot more accuracy? You decide. Regards, Eagleye. BR, you can shoot now, my bulletproof armor is on..

Are you sure it was the February 2007 Handloader Magazine? I checked and could not see that article
And by the way... this thread is about the wssm's E/E...

 

[Eagleye]

BR; I know that this thread primarily was about the WSSM's, but couldn't resist an opportunity to ruffle the feathers a bit The article is on page 98, right next to the back cover. Regards, Eagleye.

 

[catnthehatt]

The performance difference ( or lack of difference) when compared to another cartridge is not the reason I shoot WSSM's and WSM's.
Neither is the action length.
If the 300H&H is such a grand caliber, why isn't it selling as well as others?
Obsolete, and not in favour these days.
It has nothing to do with its performance.
Cat

 

[John Y Cannuck]

So you don't shoot the old girl because... the new ones are more... fashionable?
I have nothing really against the new SM and SSM cartridges, although I DO consider them marketting ploys.
I am a traditionalist, I like old stuff.

 

[catnthehatt]

So you don't shoot the old girl because... the new ones are more... fashionable?
I have nothing really against the new SM and SSM cartridges, although I DO consider them marketting ploys.
I am a traditionalist, I like old stuff.

They are another case to mess with and wildcat, is all.
I have many other rifles and some originals that I also shoot, some much older than the 300H&H.
577/450, .577 Snider, 40/65, 45/70 just to name a few.
I don't own a H&H just because I have never really wanted to.
I don't shoot stuff to be fashionable, for sure.....
Cat

 

[BCWILL]

The performance difference ( or lack of difference) when compared to another cartridge is not the reason I shoot WSSM's and WSM's.

I think Folks like the Little WSSM's because it makes there Wee-Wees look Bigger...........

 

[Why not?]

Eagleye,

When I first saw it, I had to really keep my cool. Same barrel, same length, same throat. We all knew that there was no magic in the case shape, and certainly none as far as recoil and "efficiency".

Been wondering how long it would be until someone referred to that article and burst someone else's bubble.

Ted