WTK: Robinson Arms XCR
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I agree with you that I am a relative newb, but I'm a little annoyed at your posturing. Everything I've said I've qualified and been specific. I don't say it is reliable based on my extensive experience. I say it is reliable based on X rounds fired and my impression as an owner of the gun. As it is a new gun, I've had as much experience as anyone in this forum on the XCR. You don't have to take my word when I say it is accurate/innacurate because I posted my results in this thread. I own the gun and am entitled to an opinion.
When I spoke of the reliability of the competition, I didn't say anything that cannot be verified 100% as I stated by looking into the appropriate support forums and in fact I advised as much.
I agree that I should do more shooting and less talking but seeing that I travel for a living, I am limited in time I can spend at a range but just for you I'll share a little secret: As a matter of fact I just came back from the Bullseye Marksman a range in Atlanta (Cummings) tonight after having shot the SIG 556, again.
If you disagree with me, call me on specifics. Prove me wrong. Otherwise I respectfully suggest that if you don't have something to contribute to the thread that you go shooting instead.
drvrage,
It sounds like you like the XCR, good for you. They are not that bad of a gun. Before you start talking about other guns having their share of problems you need to do more home work and get more experience.
To say AR's have had their share of problems I would question which AR's you mean. Colt Canada AR's don't have a lot of problems and run very good for thousands of rounds. Some other makes of AR's are junk and couldn't beat the XCR in a trial test. Now talking about the Sig's having their share of problems I need to question. The SAN rifles are quality controlled similar to Colt Canada products and also run very, very well. (As a matter of fact better than any combat rifle I've ever been issued.) I would dare say that the SAN rifles are probably one of the most trouble-free weapons systems ever fielded. By referring to a few posts about problems with AR's and Sig's doesn't hold much water in the real world.
This is OK though. Most users of this form cannot get the experience to have informed opinions and it's not their fault. They are recreational shooters that mean well and just get a bit too much of their information from the internet. Those that carry for a living sometimes get a bit tired of hearing the "expert" opinion from well meaning civilians who like guns.
This works both ways though. An example is the US Forces survey on satisfaction of the M16 / M4. The majority of troops replied that they were satisfied with the M4. In reality the majority had never been issued or used any other weapon system.
I'll go out on a limb and say that most users of this form don't have the knowledge or experience that they think they have or would like to have.
Rich
It sounds like you like the XCR, good for you. They are not that bad of a gun. Before you start talking about other guns having their share of problems you need to do more home work and get more experience.
To say AR's have had their share of problems I would question which AR's you mean. Colt Canada AR's don't have a lot of problems and run very good for thousands of rounds. Some other makes of AR's are junk and couldn't beat the XCR in a trial test. Now talking about the Sig's having their share of problems I need to question. The SAN rifles are quality controlled similar to Colt Canada products and also run very, very well. (As a matter of fact better than any combat rifle I've ever been issued.) I would dare say that the SAN rifles are probably one of the most trouble-free weapons systems ever fielded. By referring to a few posts about problems with AR's and Sig's doesn't hold much water in the real world.
This is OK though. Most users of this form cannot get the experience to have informed opinions and it's not their fault. They are recreational shooters that mean well and just get a bit too much of their information from the internet. Those that carry for a living sometimes get a bit tired of hearing the "expert" opinion from well meaning civilians who like guns.
This works both ways though. An example is the US Forces survey on satisfaction of the M16 / M4. The majority of troops replied that they were satisfied with the M4. In reality the majority had never been issued or used any other weapon system.
I'll go out on a limb and say that most users of this form don't have the knowledge or experience that they think they have or would like to have.
Rich
I'm not posturing, I just think you should keep to what you know. People may read into your posts that you actually know what you are talking about. Which is about the square root of SFA.
You like the XCR -that's great, but you are drawing comparisons to platforms you know nothing about.
Below is your first post in the thread: I'd pick it apart, but it is so full of subjective & nonsense BS that it hurts thinking about it. How you think the 'Nice aluminum upper and lower' is better than the 'tupperware of the AR types' is baffling in the least.
I'm not going any further with this one.....
Davy Crockett
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Hey, didn't this thread get done once already?
Well beltfed, thanks for hijacking a thread because you find it more fun to attack me rather than contribute to the thread. Way to go. I hope you're proud.
My post IS subjective. I'm writing about my opinion of a gun that I've owned as long as anyone. I am not UL or the NRC or Measurement Canada, but here is a wake up call for you. You aren't either. You're opinion is just as subjective as anyone else's here. It is up to the reader to decide based on the specificity of the recommendations and the proof supplied. If you'd rather whine that a "newb" disagrees with you it is your prerogative, but you're not doing anyone any favours and I would just as easily prefer to not have to listen to your whining. If it hurts you so much to read my postings, by all means block my posts. Just quit your mewling. Post something substantial or go to the range.
If it is not obvious to you, I like metal over plastic in everything. I'm not the only one either. If you are baffled, by it, why don't you ask me to qualify my statements and refute them if you disagree. This kind of debate would be helpful to the thread and its readers while you are not very helpful to anyone right now.
As for SIG's having top notch QC, I've said nothing to the contrary. SIG quality control is one of if not THE best, but you pay through the nose for it. If you feel that $1000 is justified for the service of tightening screws that I'm happy for you. Personally, having to field strip an XCR, lube it, tighten everything down and reassemble was a great way to save a lot of money. As I said the XCR fills the niche in between the cheaper ARs and the SIG. I believe that there are some more quality AR out there like LMT, but as I don't own, and have only used one I couldn't be specific so I didn't say anything. However, even if I had one I would note that the cost arguments of the AR start to disapear when you start buying the pricier gear.
As for the comments in general about the reliability of other platforms, what I was trying to accomplish is to put all the XCR bashing into perspective. There is a lot of subjective crap about how bad the gun is to.
All I'm saying is that when you look in the appropriate support forums, you'll see that all guns are subject to problems. If you have something against a wider perspective, you should seek therapy.
Rich LPS:
When I talked about other platforms having problems, for perspective, I never said "they are junk don't buy them based on my experience". I said look in the appropriate forums and look at other people's perspectives who do have experience with those platforms and you'll see that they have their problems as well. Some of the experienced members here think their #### don't stink.
As for those who carry for a living getting tired of couch based "experts" piping up, I'd ask you to show me where the CGN rule is that states that this forum is not for recreational shooters. I figure that when EOS asked for opinions on the XCR, I assumed that he was a recreational shooter asking for the opinion of other recreational shooters about the recreational shooting abilities and qualitites of the XCR. If he is an Armourer, or purchasing agent for a police force, military or security firm, then I apologize for speaking out line. I know of no force looking for the XCR, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe on that one.
As for me being a loud mouth. Yup. Guilty as charged. I travel for a living and I'm always behind a computer. I usually have nothing to do but surf the web, or visit gun ranges in whatever town I'm in if they have ones that are open after work. Otherwise I sit on CGN and talk about guns. Cause if you haven't noticed, I like guns.
My post IS subjective. I'm writing about my opinion of a gun that I've owned as long as anyone. I am not UL or the NRC or Measurement Canada, but here is a wake up call for you. You aren't either. You're opinion is just as subjective as anyone else's here. It is up to the reader to decide based on the specificity of the recommendations and the proof supplied. If you'd rather whine that a "newb" disagrees with you it is your prerogative, but you're not doing anyone any favours and I would just as easily prefer to not have to listen to your whining. If it hurts you so much to read my postings, by all means block my posts. Just quit your mewling. Post something substantial or go to the range.
If it is not obvious to you, I like metal over plastic in everything. I'm not the only one either. If you are baffled, by it, why don't you ask me to qualify my statements and refute them if you disagree. This kind of debate would be helpful to the thread and its readers while you are not very helpful to anyone right now.
As for SIG's having top notch QC, I've said nothing to the contrary. SIG quality control is one of if not THE best, but you pay through the nose for it. If you feel that $1000 is justified for the service of tightening screws that I'm happy for you. Personally, having to field strip an XCR, lube it, tighten everything down and reassemble was a great way to save a lot of money. As I said the XCR fills the niche in between the cheaper ARs and the SIG. I believe that there are some more quality AR out there like LMT, but as I don't own, and have only used one I couldn't be specific so I didn't say anything. However, even if I had one I would note that the cost arguments of the AR start to disapear when you start buying the pricier gear.
As for the comments in general about the reliability of other platforms, what I was trying to accomplish is to put all the XCR bashing into perspective. There is a lot of subjective crap about how bad the gun is to.
All I'm saying is that when you look in the appropriate support forums, you'll see that all guns are subject to problems. If you have something against a wider perspective, you should seek therapy.
Rich LPS:
When I talked about other platforms having problems, for perspective, I never said "they are junk don't buy them based on my experience". I said look in the appropriate forums and look at other people's perspectives who do have experience with those platforms and you'll see that they have their problems as well. Some of the experienced members here think their #### don't stink.
As for those who carry for a living getting tired of couch based "experts" piping up, I'd ask you to show me where the CGN rule is that states that this forum is not for recreational shooters. I figure that when EOS asked for opinions on the XCR, I assumed that he was a recreational shooter asking for the opinion of other recreational shooters about the recreational shooting abilities and qualitites of the XCR. If he is an Armourer, or purchasing agent for a police force, military or security firm, then I apologize for speaking out line. I know of no force looking for the XCR, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe on that one.
As for me being a loud mouth. Yup. Guilty as charged. I travel for a living and I'm always behind a computer. I usually have nothing to do but surf the web, or visit gun ranges in whatever town I'm in if they have ones that are open after work. Otherwise I sit on CGN and talk about guns. Cause if you haven't noticed, I like guns.
Every thread has been discussed ad nauseum. But CGN search suck balls, so we get to go over everything over and over again.
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IchBinEinSniper
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Wow, that little ride was fun, but a complete waste of time...
I was hoping to find some decent info on this thing prior to potentially shelling out $2,000 +, but alas, nothing new.
I was hoping to find some decent info on this thing prior to potentially shelling out $2,000 +, but alas, nothing new.
Buy one shoot it. Love it, marry it. Like it, bang it for a couple of hundred rounds then flog it on the EE. Don't like it flog it on the EE right away. Cost of taking it for a ride about $200-300. Think of it as a rental. Beats having to read this drivel.
As a general rule, if it floats, flys, fires or f*cks renting is cheaper
Yea, looks like I got off at the wrong stop too.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, and while painfully obvious to most, I can't help myself from posting the following:
The majority of ARs and parts in Canada (airsoft and UTG notwithstanding) are very good quality, and I would argue have a better track record than anything Robarms has manufactured.
Anyone looking to comparison shop an XCR vs. a typical AR will not be disappointed with the AR due to its lower sticker cost.
The only advantage an XCR has over an AR would be the fact it is non-restricted in our country.
The XCR is overpriced to comparable rifle systems, but does not provide any measurable benefit in quality, durability, function, or accuracy.
If someone purchases one, they should be warned that they do so knowing it is a novalty firearm from a fring manufacturer with a known history of spotty quality.
The majority of ARs and parts in Canada (airsoft and UTG notwithstanding) are very good quality, and I would argue have a better track record than anything Robarms has manufactured.
Anyone looking to comparison shop an XCR vs. a typical AR will not be disappointed with the AR due to its lower sticker cost.
The only advantage an XCR has over an AR would be the fact it is non-restricted in our country.
The XCR is overpriced to comparable rifle systems, but does not provide any measurable benefit in quality, durability, function, or accuracy.
If someone purchases one, they should be warned that they do so knowing it is a novalty firearm from a fring manufacturer with a known history of spotty quality.
Koenig Tiger
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People built so much hype over the XCR that it was bound to disappoint.
I've found the only real quality problems with the rifle are minor fit and finish issues that can be fixed in seconds by someone with basic knowledge and tools (mostly sharp edges that need smoothing out). They're far from "fatal flaws" in the design so it's probably just the big way in which those small probems manifest themselves that pissed many new owners off... That's why I always give new semi guns a first try by myself when the range is mostly deserted; saves on the embarrassment if something bad happens.
I'm curious Beltfed, what problem did you have with your XCR (I assume you actually owned one at one point) to make you so bitter towards it?
I've found the only real quality problems with the rifle are minor fit and finish issues that can be fixed in seconds by someone with basic knowledge and tools (mostly sharp edges that need smoothing out). They're far from "fatal flaws" in the design so it's probably just the big way in which those small probems manifest themselves that pissed many new owners off... That's why I always give new semi guns a first try by myself when the range is mostly deserted; saves on the embarrassment if something bad happens.
I'm curious Beltfed, what problem did you have with your XCR (I assume you actually owned one at one point) to make you so bitter towards it?
You can say most firearms are novelty firearms when they first hit the market.
Bashing Rob-arms because its small also doesn't make any sense. Why don't you put some substance into your arguement instead of slinging BS everywhere.
Throttle_monkey1
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K now that the politcal nightmare is ending, I can talk guns again.
My xcr has been rock solid. Not one issue. Front heavy, because it has an 18.6" hbar. The trigger isn't the best either.
The built in quad rail is great. So are the ergos. You might have to loctite some bolts. I haven't. Some people have had problems with theirs. Mine has been great.
It's great for gophers and coyotes, especially with 10 round ar pistol mags. It stays way cleaner than a DI ar too, the hot gases aren't #### all over the action.
I would buy another one if I had to do it all again. Out of all the guns I've ever owned, the only one I wouldn't buy again is the sks (sold that pos)
My xcr has been rock solid. Not one issue. Front heavy, because it has an 18.6" hbar. The trigger isn't the best either.
The built in quad rail is great. So are the ergos. You might have to loctite some bolts. I haven't. Some people have had problems with theirs. Mine has been great.
It's great for gophers and coyotes, especially with 10 round ar pistol mags. It stays way cleaner than a DI ar too, the hot gases aren't #### all over the action.
I would buy another one if I had to do it all again. Out of all the guns I've ever owned, the only one I wouldn't buy again is the sks (sold that pos)
In the spirit of fairness the harshest criticism I can come up with about XCR quality and design is:
1. Extractor bolts coming loose: Not fatal. Just tighten yourself before your first shoot. If your anal you can always locktight them. I never had this problem but I've heard of others who have.
2. Firing pin hole in bolt face had too sharp an edge resulting in 1 in 100-200 pierced primers. Solved at factory, offering replacement bolts no questions asked and I fixed mine myself with a dremmel and 5 seconds of gentle pressure to chamfer/break the edge of the firing pin hole.
While disappointing, I would call neither of these a "fatal flaw". Customer service was on it like a horney dog on your leg. If this doesn't scare you, nothing will.
1. Extractor bolts coming loose: Not fatal. Just tighten yourself before your first shoot. If your anal you can always locktight them. I never had this problem but I've heard of others who have.
2. Firing pin hole in bolt face had too sharp an edge resulting in 1 in 100-200 pierced primers. Solved at factory, offering replacement bolts no questions asked and I fixed mine myself with a dremmel and 5 seconds of gentle pressure to chamfer/break the edge of the firing pin hole.
While disappointing, I would call neither of these a "fatal flaw". Customer service was on it like a horney dog on your leg. If this doesn't scare you, nothing will.
Davy Crockett
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i wish people would contact me when they have an issue with their XCR. I am currently able to get repair/warranty parts to you, and I know I have only heard from a couple people with issues. If you have a problem with the rifle, at least give us a chance to take care of it.
