WW1 Pattern 14 MkI*W(F) Winchester Sniper

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I was fortunate to obtain an original Winchester Pattern 14 Type F.
The fine vernier sight modification was developed for Designated Marksmen (Snipers).

The rifle is within the serial number range of the conversion, and the stock set and other components are original to the rifle. The sling is also an original 1916 web sling which was really nice to get with the rifle. It is in really nice shape and has a very nice bore.

The nice thing about this rifle is that it has resided for some time with a collector and has been looked at by several people more recently who have verified the designation.

One of the intersesting things about the Winchester conversions to Snipers is that they apprently also shot the rifles to determine a candidate rifle, rather than just grabbing the next one out of the crate. They had to demonstrate superior accuracy as a standard rifle.

I will be shooting the rifle at some ORA shoots this summer.

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General notes

Snipers, WW1 and WW2
Marksman were employed by armies as far back as there has been armies, only the tools they used changed. The Germans were the first to equip their marksmen/snipers with a telescopic sight. The British followed suit with scopes made by several different companies were mounted either offset or directly above the rifles bore. Some of these were mounted on MkIII and MkIII* rifles but it was found that the tighter tolerances of the Ross and P14 rifles made for better sniper weapons.
Winchester P14's were modified for sniping with the addition of vernier fine adjustable rear site, P14MkI*W(F). Or in 1918 with P14’s and 1918 telescopic sight combination P14MkI*(T) and P14MkI*(T)A using the Aldis telescopic scope.
It should also be noted that the Winchester P14 was used for these conversions as they demonstrated and inherent accuracy over the Remmington RE and ERA production rifles.
 
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Nice looking rifle… :)

Is the sight original?

BSA also converted only 79 of these to sniper rifles ....

No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php
(Manufactured by Winchester - Serial #W226763)
c/w Model 1918 (3x) Scope Serial #226763 (Mfg by B.S.A Guns)
c/w 1907 Pattern leather sling

The example above is our March 2012 - Featured Milsurp Library Entry of the Month

Courtesy of member Nigel Greenaway with pics by Terryinvictoria, the article has a nice photo comparison of how to spot P14(F) reproduction sights from the authentic originals. The repro has a slightly larger adjustment knob with cross checkering. Real ones like the one mounted on the rifle which is the subject of this Knowledge Library entry, have vertical lines on the knob.

Periscopic Prism Co. Ltd. also converted 2,001 of them to sniper rifles…

No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php...Scope)-(Pattern-1914-Mk1*-W-(T)-Sniper-Rifle)
(Manufactured by Winchester - Serial #W196128)
c/w Model 1918 (3x) Scope (Mfg by Periscopic Prism Co. Ltd.)
c/w 1908 Web Pattern sling (Mfg in 1913 by M.E. Co.)

Regards,
Doug
 
Hi Doug;

The sight is numbered to this rifle other markings are basically the same as the subject rifle on the Milsurp Library site.
If anyone would like to contact me directly to ask very specific questions about this rifle or to compare attributes to one that they may have, I would be happy to help.
Cheers paul
 
No problem... I was just curious to see where the sight fitted in relation to the 70:30 ratio Nigel speaks of ... :)

In reference to the special aperture rear sight with fine adjustment screw on the top, they were all Winchester made and converted by the British. All had the original Winchester rifle serial number on the back (as per unconverted Winchester sights). If Serial No. is barred out, it means that sights were taken off rifles, converted at Enfield, and then the sights were sent to WW1 sniping schools to retro fit on existing rifles at the school. If Serial No. is not barred out, then the same conversion process occurred, but the sight was put back on the original rifle held at Enfield.

Regards,
Doug
 
No worrries at all...I did not have a pic of the sight as it was hard to shoot with the lighting available. But tried again and got this.
sight001.jpg
 
It's a pattern on the surface finish of the metal that shows up in a couple of spots...crappy lighting in the pics as I said.

If a proper brief on the rifle is done, I will have it photographed by a buddy who has much better equipment than me.
 
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