WW2 Machine guns...a few questions for the knowledgeable here

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Hey everyone. Been lurking the site for a few years, made some great purchases of hunting rifles here. Now I'm interested in starting a little collecting. The things that interest me most are the WW2 era machine guns. Canadian (British) and american mostly. So, looking for some direction here.

I'd rather have decommissioned real ones, but don't know all the legalities of owning/buying them. Is there a good place to find these guns? Assuming availability and pricing is major hurdle, I'd consider replicas. Any suggestions on that note? Basically, just a noobie looking to feed of the expertise of real collectors here, and any info would be great. Thanks GunNutz!
 
replicas are illegal, but deacts are avalible, ranging from older well done ones to new welded hulks, the earlier good deacts will be #### and click, and have a removable magazine, etc, the newer ones cant even have a moving trigger i hear.

expect to pay through the nose, a deact bren gun runs about $1100 for a #### and click with welded mag in good shape last i looked and no licence is required
 
You can buy deactivated ones legally. They are made non-functional through a variety of methods. Some do cosmetic damage, some do not. I've seen them pop up on the EE on this forum. They seem to be fairly expensive, but I imagine they are also hard to come by. I know someone manufactured a functional MG-34 (alas, it's not Canadian or American) that was Non-restricted, semi auto only model.
 
There are several options out there:
1. Poorly welded DEWATS that are non-functional and static
2. Nicely finished DEWATS that you can strip down and the work the bolt
3. TNW Non-Restricted functional semi-auto MG's MG34 and 1919A4. The trick is that they have a new made bolt (heavily modified original bolt) and a newly modified reciever). Sad, because in the US you can buy Semi-Auto Brens, etc. the FFL allows you to convert original recievers but in Canada if you use an original reciever it ends up being a converted prohib.

Milarm had some nice Dewats, so does Collectors source. If you use an importer like Prophet River you can import a Dewat from the US (IMA, etc). You have to ship it to Leroy's in Montana and then wait for an Import/Export permit which will cost you $150. Then you need to pay 5% GST and 7% Duty.
 
Dewat = 'DE'activated 'WA'r 'T'rophy.
Importing a dewat is a major undertaking. Foreign dewat standards are not recognized. The thing must be imported as if functional, by someone licenced for the real thing, and then inspected and approved here.
In the US a demil (demilitarized) firearm can have its receiver rebuilt as functional in semi auto. This is not accepted here. So, even if the mfr were licenced for export and even if US DOS were to issue an export permit, the gun would not be approved here.
If a new receiver is used, and if the design is accepted, and if the gun is exportable, then all it takes is money. The TNW MG34s and Browning 1919s are in this category. The semi auto redesign on these is thorough. Many Bren dewats in this country are cosmetically restored demils. Canada cut up Brens in the '60s. Many current dewats are made from 12(2) and 12(3) guns. These will be just about solid lumps.
A #### and click dewat Sten can be had for about $400. Probably about the easiest to locate and the least expensive.
 
Not sure if I'm allowed to link to them or not, but collectors source has a good selection of deactivated rifles, pistols, machine guns, rocket launchers, etc.
 
Depending on what you are looking for, and if you can find it, the TNW 1919 and TNW MG-34 Semi-Automatic belt fed rifles are close to the cost to some of the deactivated guns of the same kind here on CGN.


I just got a new TNW 1919. So nice to have a working belt fed rifle that feeds from a 250 round belt, and is non-restricted.

:D:D:D :50cal::50cal::50cal::50cal:

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Kevin M. said:
Depending on what you are looking for, and if you can find it, the TNW 1919 and TNW MG-34 Semi-Automatic belt fed rifles are close to the cost to some of the deactivated guns of the same kind here on CGN.


I just got a new TNW 1919. So nice to have a working belt fed rifle that feeds from a 250 round belt, and is non-restricted.

:D:D:D :50cal::50cal::50cal::50cal:

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Found a set of spade grips that fast ?
 
#1bcshooter said:
I didn't get it from him . If it is they did a good job as I can't find evidence of a re weld
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The repair shows in the photo. It is a cut right through the receiver sideplates. The cut is about 2" forward of the cocking handle bracket, or about 2" back of the feed area.

He used to sell the sawcut receivers for a couple hundred bucks back in the 90s. I had a nice colt made one from him that I made into a #### and click. The sawcut receivers were very easy to repair, as there was very little metal missing.
 
stencollector said:
The repair shows in the photo. It is a cut right through the receiver sideplates. The cut is about 2" forward of the cocking handle bracket, or about 2" back of the feed area.

He used to sell the sawcut receivers for a couple hundred bucks back in the 90s. I had a nice colt made one from him that I made into a #### and click. The sawcut receivers were very easy to repair, as there was very little metal missing.
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I'll have to take a closer look . as that mark in the picture lines right up to the wooden bracing on my transit box
 
gyraf17 said:
Hey everyone. Been lurking the site for a few years, made some great purchases of hunting rifles here. Now I'm interested in starting a little collecting. The things that interest me most are the WW2 era machine guns. Canadian (British) and american mostly. So, looking for some direction here.
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Perhaps a good source of research knowledge if you're going to focus your collecting interestes om machine guns. ;)

Check the Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php...esearch-for-milsurp-collectors-and-re-loaders.

The Machine Gun (by George M. Chinn) (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=347-The-Machine-Gun-(by-George-M.-Chinn)

The Machine Gun. History, Evolution, and Development of Manual, Automatic, and Airborne Repeating Weapons

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Bureau of Ordnance Department of the Navy, Washington, 1951 (Vol. I-IV)

Complete Set includes:

Volume 1 (698 pages)
History, Evolution, and Development of Manual, Automatic, and Airborne Repeating Weapons.

Volume 2 (232 Pages)
History, Evolution, and Development of Manual, Automatic, and Airborne Repeating Weapons.

Volume 3 (693 Pages)
Development During World War II and Korean Conflict by the United States and Their Allies, of Full Automatic Machine Gun Systems and High Rate of Fire Power Driven Cannon.

Volume 4 (653 Pages)
Design Analysis of Automatic Firing Mechanisms and Related Components.

Volume 5 (720 Pages)
Development of Full Automatic Machine Gun Systems High Rate of Fire Power Driven Cannon, and Automatic Grenade Launchers by the United States and Her Allies, Following World War II, Korean Police Action, and the Vietnam Conflict.
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Regards,
Doug
 
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