WWII Cooey trainer, model 82

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So i may have found an interesting rifle, it's a Cooey model 82 in full wood, C broadarrow marked with numbers engraved under the pistol grip, in 85-90% original condition, with obvious history in the wood. Never re-finished.

Can anyone give me a brief history lesson on these guns? How do they shoot compared to a 75? this one has the rear ladder sight, and the seller is including a peep sight also which is still packed in grease from the cooey factory closing sale. He says the gun is solid, bands are tight, wood fit is tight, functions great, great bore and nice buttplate, ...sounds pretty good.

Im thinking it might be one to grab asap before someone else does. does anyone have an idea what it might be worth? Im assuming since it's a cooey it's only worth what someone is willing to pay, but what might that be? Stab in the dark... im curious to see just how good of a deal im getting, because it seems pretty good to me.

I'll try to post some pics he sent me later on today.
 
mikeystew said:
So i may have found an interesting rifle, it's a Cooey model 82 in full wood, C broadarrow marked with numbers engraved under the pistol grip, in 85-90% original condition, with obvious history in the wood. Never re-finished.

Can anyone give me a brief history lesson on these guns? How do they shoot compared to a 75? this one has the rear ladder sight, and the seller is including a peep sight also which is still packed in grease from the cooey factory closing sale. He says the gun is solid, bands are tight, wood fit is tight, functions great, great bore and nice buttplate, ...sounds pretty good.

Im thinking it might be one to grab asap before someone else does. does anyone have an idea what it might be worth? Im assuming since it's a cooey it's only worth what someone is willing to pay, but what might that be? Stab in the dark... im curious to see just how good of a deal im getting, because it seems pretty good to me.

I'll try to post some pics he sent me later on today.
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$200-$350 or so. Nice find. It's nice that it includes the original peep sight as well as the supply of them has dried up.
 
Cantom nailed it....

When you get it...try several different brands of .22, and you may be surprised how well it shoots with stuff it likes!
 
Nice, im looking forward to getting it. $240 shipped is totally fair then... including the extra peep sight. Thats excellent, nice piece of Canadian history in this one it seems.
 
As for your question on how it shoots compaired to a 75 - it basically is a model 75 with a different stock config. Same heavy barrel. I have an 82 and 75, and outside the wood they are identical.

One thing to look for is a C/|\ on the bolt. I'm not sure if they were all marked with this, but the majority I have seen do. If the wood is marked, then it is a military contract. There were a bunch of 82's made for public consumption, but these did not have the C/|\ markings, and do not have the serial number stamped in the wood.
 
3 C Broad Arrows- 1 on bolt, one on top of receiver, one on bottom of stock with serial number on wood.

stoggie said:
As for your question on how it shoots compaired to a 75 - it basically is a model 75 with a different stock config. Same heavy barrel. I have an 82 and 75, and outside the wood they are identical.

One thing to look for is a C/|\ on the bolt. I'm not sure if they were all marked with this, but the majority I have seen do. If the wood is marked, then it is a military contract. There were a bunch of 82's made for public consumption, but these did not have the C/|\ markings, and do not have the serial number stamped in the wood.
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I'm not sure about the markings on the bolt, but the seller informed me that it was stored in an amoury with the bolt stored separately, and the gun is marked with the broadarrow on top of the receiver and has the serial number stamped under the pistol grip. Man, I'm falling for these old Cooey's... Big time. I'm also starting a finishing project with an old 75 (ranger) that I'm going to rust blue and redo the wood. Loving these cheap guns.
 
If you care to look carefully into the past, you will see that Cooeys actually developed a following in the USA in the middle-1920s and that this continued on until the 1930s.... despite the fact that they sold for better than TWICE the price of a fairly-decent entry-market Winchester. The REASON for this was the utterly splendid accuracy of the Cooey rifle with its automatic safety and its wonderful 8-groove barrel.

This began to change about the time I got into shooting, the Cooey being regarded with progressively less and less approbation until, finally, it was 'just a d*mned old Cooey'.

Now here's the question: what had changed? Obviously, not the Cooey: it was still made by the same people, on the same machines, as previous.

Answer: what had changed was the AMMUNITION. The country was more prosperous, there was more money floating around and, although the standard DOMINION SUPER-CLEAN .22LR ammuntion still was available, there was enough money that people no longer begrudged the extra 5 cents a box for the hot-rock WHIZZ-BANG ammo (named, interestingly,for the German 77mm artillery round of WW1, which was slightly supersonic).

SUPER-CLEAN ammo worked very well indeed, as several zillion dead gophers can attest, but the WHIZZ-BANG ammo produced a much louder muzzle report. You could hear the stuff a block away, so OBVIOUSLY it HAD to be better. And it had a little more effective range, perhaps another 15 or 20 yards, so that was a bonus well worth a nickel a box: a tenth of a cent a round... 55 cents a box versus 50 cents box.

And, in the years since that, we have gone steadily down that same path. At one time, 1000 ft/sec was considered normal. Then it became 1100, 1200, 1300 and so forth. Today, there is .22 ammo available in such quantity that you can buy muzzle velocities which would have astounded us back then, relatively cheaply.

And the old Cooeys are junk.

Everybody knows that those lousy old Cooeys are junk.

They dont shoot worth crap with this here box of SUPERHOTROCK .22 ammo, the stuff that gets the bullet to the target and another 100 yards downrange before you pull the trigger.

And that is all true.

But those lousy old Cooeys still will shoot VERY WELL indeed if you feed them what they want. And what they want is STANDARD-velocity .22 shells, Long Rifle. They have very SHALLOW rifling and the superhotrock stuff doesn't take the rifling worth a hoot in a hailstorm.

Feed an old Cooey STANDARD velocity stuff, or some of that nice, nice, nice REMINGTON SUBSONIC.... and watch your groups pucker up and get smaller and smaller. I have actually seen WW2 Cooey 82s beating new Anschutzes, both using the same Match-velocity (which is ALWAYS low-velocty) ammunition.

Nice point is that standard-velocity is STILL a nickel a box cheaper!

I do hope this helps.

Cooeys are just TOO GOOD to be disrespected, friend..... and you have a very good one with a LOT of history behind it.
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