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2nd Lt Alton Frazer's FG-1D Corsair after an engagement with N1K2-J Shiden-Kais of the 343rd. Frazer miraculously managed to nurse his crippled Corsair back to base.

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Any of you able to find a record that substantiates this? Seems unlikley considering most of the port wing is absent and the drop tanks are still on. Gotta think that job one if you were shot up that badly would be to dump those.
 
Looks more like impact damage. My guess, while landing left wing hit ground, sheared off, hit fuselage behind cockpit then hit rudder.
Or another plane ran into it as it was parked and that planes wing tip cause the fuselage and rudder damage.
 
Looks more like impact damage. My guess, while landing left wing hit ground, sheared off, hit fuselage behind cockpit then hit rudder.
Or another plane ran into it as it was parked and that planes wing tip cause the fuselage and rudder damage.

That is what I was thinking. I can't see how that plane would fly, and if it did, he would bail out over land.
 


There is a (probably apocryphal) story that is often told to young quantitative political scientists.
During World War II, US Bomber Command was losing dozens of planes on each mission. Every bomber was expensive and crew member highly trained, so keeping them alive and flying was a top priority.
To protect the bombers, the US military decided to add armored plates to the aircraft. But where on the aircraft to put them? Steel is heavy and each plate increased fuel consumption, so you cannot armor every surface: you have to be selective. To answer the question, Bomber Command brought in a team of accountants.
After each mission, the accountants walked the tarmac and examined where each returning bomber had visible damage: wings, tail, nose, etc. They recorded their observations, and in a few weeks came back to US Bomber Command and told them to install the armor where the aircraft received the most damage.

US bomber command followed their advice. Over the next few weeks, US bomber losses doubled.
In desperation, US Bomber Command turned to a statistician. "What happened?" They asked. "What did we do wrong?!". The statistician smiled slightly and shook his head, "You were examining the right thing, but on the wrong aircraft," he said. "Don't place the armor where you see the most damage," he said, "place it where you see the least."
Puzzled, they followed the statistician's advice and moved the armored plates. US bomber losses immediately dropped to record lows. So, why did the statistician's advice work? The answer lies in the nature of observation. Unlikely the accountants, the statistician was familiar with a phenomenon called the selection effect. Selection effect occurs when we can only observe non-random slice of what we are studying. That is, we only see a "selection" of cases, not all cases. By walking the tarmac after each mission, the accountants were examining aircraft that managed to survive the mission, not all the aircraft that took part. Adding armor to where these bombers received the most damage makes sense until you think about the problem in terms of the selection effect:
If the surviving aircraft received damage in these areas and still made it back, then this is not where the armor needs to go. Instead, the armor plates need to cover the areas where the surviving bombers received the least amount of damage, because planes that received damage to those areas didn't make it back to base. In other words, where the damage occurred selected which aircraft were observed on the tarmac after the mission and which crashed into the European countryside. Data can tell us much about a population. It can provide insights into characteristics and trends impossible through anecdote means. But when using data, we — like US Bomber Command — must be aware of what we are not seeing, and why we aren't seeing it.
 
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The only fallacy with that is that airframes and skins are damaged by air-to-air and AAA before the internal armour does its work. Damage would still be visible ! The story sounds credible though for the typical thinking of the day.
 
The only fallacy with that is that airframes and skins are damaged by air-to-air and AAA before the internal armour does its work. Damage would still be visible ! The story sounds credible though for the typical thinking of the day.

Armour is only there to protect the crew, and was usually not very much installed... Mainly behind the head/back in cockpit.
 
That is what I was thinking. I can't see how that plane would fly, and if it did, he would bail out over land.

I would think so, but maybe it was in a condition where letting go of the controls would make it impossible to bail, so just maintained what was working. Looks like the damage was from the left outer wing departing and striking the fuselage and rudder. Ground damage likely wouldn't tear into the plane that much without simply pushing it out of the way. It's amazing what can keep flying!

I'm voting possible...
 
I would think so, but maybe it was in a condition where letting go of the controls would make it impossible to bail, so just maintained what was working. Looks like the damage was from the left outer wing departing and striking the fuselage and rudder. Ground damage likely wouldn't tear into the plane that much without simply pushing it out of the way. It's amazing what can keep flying!

I'm voting possible...

I agree. This plane would have been flyable albeit with some extra right aileron input. The elevator looks ok and the rudder looks weakened but functional.

There was a DC-3 in Alaska that hit a mountain with a wing and was able to return. It looked somewhat similar.
 
I agree. This plane would have been flyable albeit with some extra right aileron input. The elevator looks ok and the rudder looks weakened but functional.

There was a DC-3 in Alaska that hit a mountain with a wing and was able to return. It looked somewhat similar.

I know of a dc-4 that clipped a tower and took out the outer wing and the vertical stab/rudder and most of a horizontal and elevator and still made it home. Aircraft flew many more years after it was fixed too!
They don't make em like that anymore.
 
That is what I was thinking. I can't see how that plane would fly, and if it did, he would bail out over land.

I read a declassified report to the Pentagon that pilots who bailed out over water only had a 10% chance of being picked up and surviving. Maybe the Lt felt his chances were better as long as he was still in an aircraft that was capable of flying?? Likely he never saw how extensive the damage really was and just as likely he was one hell of an instinctive pilot.
 
I know of a dc-4 that clipped a tower and took out the outer wing and the vertical stab/rudder and most of a horizontal and elevator and still made it home. Aircraft flew many more years after it was fixed too!
They don't make em like that anymore.

I am reminded of the somewhat famous Douglas DC-2 1/2:

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Start with a DC-3. Lose most of starboard wing to a bomb.

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Hunt around for solution - find a DC-2 800 miles away. Remove stubby lil' wing. Fly it 800 miles.

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Install.

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Fly for a few more years, until one bad day at work:
It supposedly met its end on February 13, 1943 when on a flight from Chungking (now Chongqing) it returned due to heavy icing, the right engine failed and caught fire, and the propeller could not be feathered. The crew opted for a forced landing on a sandbar in the Yangtze river near Kiangtsing. Both pilots and all 16 passengers escaped unhurt, and the aircraft was to be salvaged, but the river swept it away

Try that with a 737 and a 727.
 
the DC-2.5
they flew the wing to the damaged aircraft hung under an already overloaded dc3, and then flew the new frankenplane out while also majorly overloaded
 
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