X-bolt vs Vanguard S2 in .223

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Looking at getting a new rifle in .223 for general plinking and coyote hunting and having a tough time deciding between a few. I'm looking for something more weather resistant and light enough to pack around in the hills between stands when coyote hunting. The rifles I have in mind are the Browning X-bolt stainless stalker, Browning X-bolt Predator Hunter, and Weatherby Vanguard S2 Stainless synthetic. (was also looking at Ruger amercian all weather but wasn't a huge fan of the action and magazine, seemed rougher and I've heard of issues with the mags and they didn't leave much room for seating bullets out further)

The X-bolt stainless stalker is the lightest at about 6lbs 3oz. The x-bolt predator hunter, although it says the same weight on the website, is actually about 7.5lbs (this was weighed on a trade scale but in .22-250 which has a 2" longer barrel so .223 might be a 1/4 lb lighter?) and the Vanguard, depending on the website you look at is between 7.25 and 7.75 lbs which seems heavy for a #2 contour short action rifle even at 24" barrel but no one has had one in stock locally to actually weigh it. The stainless stalker has a 22" tube and both the vanguard and predator hunter have 24" tubes. The predator hunter has a super short action specific to the smaller rounds where as the vanguard has a standard .308 length action just with a different bolt stop and the stainless stalker at this point I'm assuming has the same super short action but I have not been able to confirm this yet for sure. At this point I'm only planning on 55 to 62gr bullets so all 3 rifles have fast enough twist rates for this to not be an issue but the brownings have a slight advantage if I ever want to try heavier as they have 1 in 8" vs the 1 in 9" of the vanguard.

So, a few questions. Does anyone have a Weatherby Vanguard S2 stainless synthetic in .223 to get a real weight of it? Does anyone have a x-bolt stainless stalker to confirm it is the super short action? What does everyone think about the weight differences, will it be noticeable walking/hiking between coyote stands? To me over 7lbs in .223 seems on the heavy side. In saying this, the vanguard weight could be trimmed some via re-contouring or fluting or shortening the barrel or a lighter stock. The predator hunter, aside from rebarrelling, may be somewhat stuck as is, because of the hydrographics and just blued steel underneath. Will the 2" barrel length on the stainless stalker make much difference in .223?

Sorry for the long post and I appreciate any assistance!
 
!. Brother got hbar s2 weatherguard on a wby refurb 375$. 8.5# with scope bases, 4.5-14 burris and bipod, all in 10.5#ish deadly accurate, cheap to shoot.
2 don't know
3. Yes, but once your in your hide weight only matters for the walk out
4. may get 1-2# doing all the work, but once modded WBY washes its hand wrt warranty
5. maybe 50-100fps so maybe 50yds worth


you could try a carbon fiber wrapped barrel, but at 900 USD, plus install ahhhhhhhhhh!!!! No

http://proofresearch.com/the-products/barrels/bolt-action-cf-barrels/
 
You know we have a WSS here in town?
Wander up and see what they have for said rifles.
There's a slightly larger S2 here in stainless all scoped out and
yer welcome to come over and pewt yer kewties awn it.
 
I have the Howa version in .223, it has a 22" barrel and I can tell you it's pretty damn heavy for.223, these are big beefy actions.
 
The tikka t3 can be found for 700$ now
Because of the t3x coming out soon. The t3 at 700$ is well worth the money imo. Stainless or wood stock etc costs more.
 
The tikka t3 can be found for 700$ now
Because of the t3x coming out soon. The t3 at 700$ is well worth the money imo. Stainless or wood stock etc costs more.

Yea not a fan of tikkas for small short action calibers because it is still a standard long action just with different bolt stops so is kinda ridiculous in .223 and the megs are even more ridiculous and yet have a lower mag capacity than other similar rifles.
 
I love my x bolts.Have 270 and and a 243. Well made. Mags are nice, smooth and accurate and have 1 more round in the mag than competition. Magazines are around $65... But... they do have ejection issues. I believe it's weak ejector spring. Just so you know. Nothing wrong with Tikka. I had them before. Friend of mine did come across one that would not sight in. Shot all over the place. Different scopes. And ammo. That was 22-250 and magazines were $95. Ridiculous. Whetherby... I'm not a fan but I do not know much about them.
 
I love my x bolts.Have 270 and and a 243. Well made. Mags are nice, smooth and accurate and have 1 more round in the mag than competition. Magazines are around $65... But... they do have ejection issues. I believe it's weak ejector spring. Just so you know. Nothing wrong with Tikka. I had them before. Friend of mine did come across one that would not sight in. Shot all over the place. Different scopes. And ammo. That was 22-250 and magazines were $95. Ridiculous. Whetherby... I'm not a fan but I do not know much about them.

I have not heard the ejection issue before? I own a stainless stalker x-bolt in .280 rem and have never had any issues with it... Had a hunter in .270wsm briefly and it never had issues either. They are nice rifles though and I'm leaning towards another stainless stalker for the .223.
 
I picked up a youth model Vanguard 2 in 223 with a 20" barrel. This rifle has a number one contour barrel and has a 1 in 12 twist. The total weight of the rifle with a VX1 3-9 scope and Burris steel bases is 8.029 lbs. If you search on the Internet you can find the serial number at which Weatherby switched to a 1 in 9 twist. If you want a lighter weight 223 rifle you could consider the Ruger American Predator with a 22" barrel or the Ruger American Ranch with a 16.5" barrel. The Predator comes with a number three contour barrel
 
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The X-bolt is going to be lighter plain as day every day.
The one draw back to the Wby Vanguards is they are heavy rifles , but they are accurate and costs less money than the other comparable firearms.

Do I have proof as in a scale or pics?
Nope, but have owned several Wby S1 and S2's and they are all heavy, the Browning X-bolt is a slimmer trimmer firearm.

Tight Groups,
Rob
 
I have not heard the ejection issue before? I own a stainless stalker x-bolt in .280 rem and have never had any issues with it... Had a hunter in .270wsm briefly and it never had issues either. They are nice rifles though and I'm leaning towards another stainless stalker for the .223.

I'm not concerned about the issue. I love my x bolt guns. I want one in 22 hornet.
 
Could go with a Weatherby and throw a B&C stock on it. That would cut down the weight a bit, increase your accuracy a bit, and be around the same price as the Browning. Just an option though.
 
I have 4 VGII's, 2 short and 2 long action.

The "lightest" of the bunch is my 243 synthetic - with scope (3-9X42 Redfield Revenge, mounted with Talley aluminum lightweights), sling, and "unloaded" it goes a hair over 9lbs 2oz. So if you are looking for "lightweight", a Vanguard should not be on your short list - even the bare rifle goes 7lbs 8oz. The X-Bolt synthetic (bare rifle) is a full pound (plus an oz or two) "less" then the Vanguard, but also lists for a couple hundred bucks more.
 
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