X95 issue or non issue?

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I fired my new x95 today for the first time. I had one issue.

When I inserted a full magazine on a closed bolt and then racked the charging handle to chamber a round, I'd go to pull the trigger and just hear the trigger click. This happened maybe 25% of the time. About half the time it did this, it chambered a round but still didn't fire. The other half of the time the round didn't get picked up off the top of the magazine. I was sure to release the charging handle at its rearward position without aiding it forward. I noticed one of the times it malfunctioned there was a round chambered but it didn't extract until my second pull of the charging handle. Strange.

I wonder if it's standard procedure to only load a full magazine when the bolt is locked back. Obviously this automatically happens if you had just dropped a magazine but is it recommended to manually lock back the bolt by pulling down the bolt release before inserting a magazine? I do believe the magazine's were fully seated at all times.

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Ah, what you experienced is not a bug but a feature. I have noticed this previously as well but not just with pinned magazines. Seating on a closed bolt with a full mag and having a round properly chamber can be problematic with a LAR15 as well. In the cases of the PMAG 5/30 and the LAR15, I just reduce the rounds in the magazine by 1. It seems to work then. Almost all the time it is a seating issue with a full mag on a closed bolt. Occasionally it is a feed issue too BUT what I have noticed causes some feeding issues is also me originally riding the charging handle. Seems like the feeding issues got a lot better when I pull it back and let 'er rip.

I agree that likely it is either where the mag is pinned or crimped. Seems like the solution is for me is to reduce by 1 round (and depending on the gun, sometimes 2). The first number of times with my X95 I had exactly as you described...the dreaded click even though the magazine was seated.

The other weird thing is sometimes when it clicks, and then I pull back the charging handle, it ejects an unfired round, so apparently it was somehow chambered but did not fire. It wasn't a dud, because when I tried it again (either through the mag or manually inserting it into the chamber directly, it fired fine.
 
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slippey pete said:
...When I inserted a full magazine on a closed bolt and then racked the charging handle to chamber a round, I'd go to pull the trigger and just hear the trigger click. This happened maybe 25% of the time. About half the time it did this, it chambered a round but still didn't fire. The other half of the time the round didn't get picked up off the top of the magazine. I was sure to release the charging handle at its rearward position without aiding it forward. I noticed one of the times it malfunctioned there was a round chambered but it didn't extract until my second pull of the charging handle. Strange.
...I do believe the magazine's were fully seated at all times. ...
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Can you confirm that the issue does not occur when a fully loaded mag is inserted with the bolt open? What kind of magazines are you using? Tactical reloads should not be an issue for this rifle.

If the mags were properly seated and the charging handle properly manipulated, it shouldn't be happening. If the bolt is successfully stripping a round from the magazine and then you get a click instead of a bang, that sounds like a failure to feed properly: The cartridge is not fully seated in the chamber and the bolt is not closed, so the gun is stopping you from firing out of battery. If the mag isn't properly seated (or if it's out of spec) the bolt can fail to pick up the top round.

As other said, it's probably a magazine issue. Too much resistance as the bolt is stripping the top cartridge from a full magazine, and thus not enough force to fully chamber the cartridge. Downloading your mags will address the symptoms but not really solve the problem. I'd try two things: Modify the magazine to give just a bit more room for a full load, and polish the feed lips of the magazine where the cartridge rides. Modifying the magazine should make it easier to reliably seat fully loaded mags, but be very careful that you don't remove too much material and violate our mag capacity laws.

Normal use may also smooth things out enough that the problem disappears. I've not heard of the X95 needing a break in, but magazines are sometimes out of spec and can cause all kinds of issues. The simplest approach would be to borrow some well-used 100% reliable AR mags and test for the same issue. Best if they are milspec and pinned to hold 5 1/2 rounds.
 
thegazelle said:
The other weird thing is sometimes when it clicks, and then I pull back the charging handle, it ejects an unfired round, so apparently it was somehow chambered but did not fire. It wasn't a dud, because when I tried it again (either through the mag or manually inserting it into the chamber directly, it fired fine.
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That's not so weird. The bolt just wasn't in battery.
 
If you are starting from an empty chamber and closed bolt and having problems with some types of mags:

Insert magazine, apply pressure to the bottom of mag.
Operate charging handle properly.

Now it will bang bang :)
 
Gatehouse said:
If you are starting from an empty chamber and closed bolt and having problems with some types of mags:

Insert magazine, apply pressure to the bottom of mag.
Operate charging handle properly.

Now it will bang bang :)
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The mags are inserted with force and smacked in and then charging handle operated properly. If you mean maintain constant pressure on the mag for example pushing down on a bench onto the bottom of the mag and then racking the charging handle then I could see that working.
 
I don’t use a bench, just constant upward pressure with my hand. If there is already a round in the chamber (doing a mag change while still chambered) I just insert the mag.
 
Not a gun issue, it's your magazine. Take all your magazines and load only one round, seat them on the closed bolt and rack the slide. I'll bet they all go bang.
 
alpining said:
Can you confirm that the issue does not occur when a fully loaded mag is inserted with the bolt open? What kind of magazines are you using? Tactical reloads should not be an issue for this rifle.

If the mags were properly seated and the charging handle properly manipulated, it shouldn't be happening. If the bolt is successfully stripping a round from the magazine and then you get a click instead of a bang, that sounds like a failure to feed properly: The cartridge is not fully seated in the chamber and the bolt is not closed, so the gun is stopping you from firing out of battery. If the mag isn't properly seated (or if it's out of spec) the bolt can fail to pick up the top round.

As other said, it's probably a magazine issue. Too much resistance as the bolt is stripping the top cartridge from a full magazine, and thus not enough force to fully chamber the cartridge. Downloading your mags will address the symptoms but not really solve the problem. I'd try two things: Modify the magazine to give just a bit more room for a full load, and polish the feed lips of the magazine where the cartridge rides. Modifying the magazine should make it easier to reliably seat fully loaded mags, but be very careful that you don't remove too much material and violate our mag capacity laws.

Normal use may also smooth things out enough that the problem disappears. I've not heard of the X95 needing a break in, but magazines are sometimes out of spec and can cause all kinds of issues. The simplest approach would be to borrow some well-used 100% reliable AR mags and test for the same issue. Best if they are milspec and pinned to hold 5 1/2 rounds.
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I can confirm I have had no issues when loading a full mag on an open bolt. The consensus seems to be a magazine issue. I'll report back
 
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