X95 MSW Return/Deactivation - Please Read

[Beta678]

We're more concerned with the people that have stripped them of parts or major parts and wanted to send them back

I don't understand why that would matter, you just need the legal firearm to deactivate, take the receiver and chop it.

If I wanted to take my parts and put them on a replacement X95 down the road it shouldn't affect you at all. What are you going to do with the parts anyways? Strip them and sell it off? Or do you need complete guns for a RCMP photo-op?

I've replaced a number of parts on my X95 with better parts and gotten rid of the original bits, and I wouldn't mind keeping my barrel as a spare or just strip it down completely so I have a spare parts kit for my replacement X95 down the road. I don't see why anyone shouldn't strip their rifle down before it's sent it, this is NS' screw up and it's affected and inconvenienced us as much as them.

 

[Ceiferiro]

Common SFRC W.
horrible whats going on but at least you guys arent leaving the customers in the wind

 

[Chemist]

I don't understand why that would matter, you just need the legal firearm to deactivate, take the receiver and chop it.

If I wanted to take my parts and put them on a replacement X95 down the road it shouldn't affect you at all. What are you going to do with the parts anyways? Strip them and sell it off? Or do you need complete guns for a RCMP photo-op?

I've replaced a number of parts on my X95 with better parts and gotten rid of the original bits, and I wouldn't mind keeping my barrel as a spare or just strip it down completely so I have a spare parts kit for my replacement X95 down the road. I don't see why anyone shouldn't strip their rifle down before it's sent it, this is NS' screw up and it's affected and inconvenienced us as much as them.

As we said, the firearms must come back complete. A complete firearm was purchased and a complete firearm must be returned. If parts are missing the credit issued will be reduced. Remember North Sylva is just one of the importers. At this point the other importer(s) aren't giving people credits at all from my understanding.

 

[Beta678]

As we said, the firearms must come back complete. A complete firearm was purchased and a complete firearm must be returned. If parts are missing the credit issued will be reduced. Remember North Sylva is just one of the importers. At this point the other importer(s) aren't giving people credits at all from my understanding.

What is the break down in value? These rifles at this point are worth nothing at this point so I'd expect the parts value to be reduced as well.

There doesn't seem to be much clarity or information provided until your thread with regard to our X95'S on the part of NS, perhaps purposely to drag it out as long as possible so others are inclined to just send things in and NOT claim a credit so the problem is out of their hair.

As for other importers, that just seems like bad decision making on their end, perhaps leaving themselves open to legal action in the future for being negligent.

But you are at least providing information and answers for questions people have and haven't left everyone out in the wind like NS by saying "more information to come" and leaving it as is so thanks for that.

Also, definitely playing devil's advocate here as no one seems to be asking questions that I'm sure have been floating around in people's minds.

 

[Chemist]

We are North Sylva’s announcement as we are handling it for them. Things had to be sorted out with the CFO’s and RCMP before the announcement was made. We don’t have a break down in value at this time but we need a complete firearm back for a full in store credit at the dealer if they purchased from.

What is the break down in value? These rifles at this point are worth nothing at this point so I'd expect the parts value to be reduced as well.

There doesn't seem to be much clarity or information provided until your thread with regard to our X95'S on the part of NS, perhaps purposely to drag it out as long as possible so others are inclined to just send things in and NOT claim a credit so the problem is out of their hair.

As for other importers, that just seems like bad decision making on their end, perhaps leaving themselves open to legal action in the future for being negligent.

But you are at least providing information and answers for questions people have and haven't left everyone out in the wind like NS by saying "more information to come" and leaving it as is so thanks for that.

Also, definitely playing devil's advocate here as no one seems to be asking questions that I'm sure have been floating around in people's minds.

 

[BurlewLLB]

Im sure the question has been asked but since its recent there probably isn’t an answer yet but gunsmiths can change parts to reclassify restricted to non restricted; can a gunsmith reclassify prohibited to restricted? Im a retired welder with a gunsmith license and it most likely wouldn’t be that hard to basically rebuild these to the specifications of a non restricted tavor. It will probably be welding up some holes in the trigger pack to prevent the auto sear from being installed, hammer work and welding up or removing the auto sear engagement point on the bolt. I read on ctv that these have to be submitted to be destroyed so i would hate to see that if they can be salvaged

That idea will not work in this situation

Ed

 

[Beta678]

We are North Sylva’s announcement as we are handling it for them. Things had to be sorted out with the CFO’s and RCMP before the announcement was made. We don’t have a break down in value at this time but we need a complete firearm back for a full in store credit at the dealer if they purchased from.

Well I see pros and cons to this announcement.

It's convenient for NS because they don't have to say anything now that you've provided an "official announcement".

On your end, you're limited to the information they've provided and don't have the ability or authority to answer anything beyond what you've already outlined, therein providing NS with a means to avoid answering difficult questions while the clock ticks down to the deadline. Case-in-point with the requirement for a "complete" rifle and the parts valuation or there lack of. That and you have to deal with trying to placate questions from people like me rather than NS.

Anyone who doesn't want to deal with the hassle of the NFA's approach or lose out on credit will take the convenient route and go along with this hashed together solution as it's better than nothing.

Ideally if you could provide more information as soon as possible due to our looming deadline, that would be great.

Hopefully, other people have more questions which I'm sure I've missed that you can answer as I doubt I'm annoyed as those with multiple X95's and significantly more money invested into their rifles.

 

[Curtton]

Good show, Chemist. Glad to see someone standing behind this issue and offering a fair (enough) solution.

agreed but shouldnt NS be answering our questions instead?

 

[Bartok5]

Am I correct in understanding that the "store credit" will go to the original purchaser, regardless of who turns in the firearm for deactivation? So if person B bought from original purchaser person A, and Person B turns in the firearm to SFRC, Person A will get still get the credit? So I need to coordinate with Person A to obtain "my" credit as a "person B" private purchaser, is that correct?

I just want to be clear whether or not I need to work through the original purchaser (I know who they are) in order to obtain the store credit as a private purchaser after the fact.....

 

[Chemist]

Am I correct in understanding that the "store credit" will go to the original purchaser, regardless of who turns in the firearm for deactivation? So if person B bought from original purchaser person A, and Person B turns in the firearm to SFRC, Person A will get still get the credit? So I need to coordinate with Person A to obtain "my" credit as a "person B" private purchaser, is that correct?

I just want to be clear whether or not I need to work through the original purchaser (I know who they are) in order to obtain the store credit as a private purchaser after the fact.....

That is correct. The store credit will be with the store they purchased it from.

 

[Aniest]

First, Thank you to SFRC for handling this. It might be a bad option, not even a good option, but it is an option.

it most likely wouldn’t be that hard to basically rebuild these to the specifications of a non restricted tavor. It will probably be welding up some holes in the trigger pack to prevent the auto sear from being installed, hammer work and welding up or removing the auto sear engagement point on the bolt.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this was already done to these X95 MSW models and that is why they originally passed verification to be classified as X95s: the trigger pack is an X95 semi-auto only and the auto sear points are already welded. In other words you can't do what was already done to them. This is also why all the ignorant fear-mongering by the media is lies: they are not full auto capable.

The problem is that because it was done as a conversion from a full-auto to semi-auto they are prohibited by Canadian law as it is written by Parliament and interpreted by the courts.

 

[Chemist]

First, Thank you to SFRC for handling this. It might be a bad option, not even a good option, but it is an option.



Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this was already done to these X95 MSW models and that is why they originally passed verification to be classified as X95s: the trigger pack is an X95 semi-auto only and the auto sear points are already welded. In other words you can't do what was already done to them. This is also why all the ignorant fear-mongering by the media is lies: they are not full auto capable.

The problem is that because it was done as a conversion from a full-auto to semi-auto they are prohibited by Canadian law as it is written by Parliament and interpreted by the courts.

I fully agree, I would prefer no one had to turn them in.

My understanding, and from everything I read online, these all left the IWI factory as semi auto and were produced as semi auto only.


This isn't directed at you Aniest....just a general comment to everyone. There are a bunch of X95 threads going on CGN. If people want to discuss the X95 concerns etc in there would better as this post is meant to help people with the return process if they choose to go that route. Lots of discussion buries the questions people have.

Ryan

 

[Bartok5]

That is correct. The store credit will be with the store they purchased it from.

What if the original purchaser did not work through a dealer, but dealt with North Sylva directly? How does that work for a credit? That is what happened in my case, so I am understandably confused about how I am going to receive credit for my MSW, which you have confirmed was a NS import.

 

[Chemist]

What if the original purchaser did not work through a dealer, but dealt with North Sylva directly? How does that work for a credit? That is what happened in my case, so I am understandably confused about how I am going to receive credit for my MSW, which you have confirmed was a NS import.

The original purchaser will get a store credit for what they paid for it if it’s sent back. If you are not the original purchaser and you send it back, you’ll need to arrange something with the person you bought it from.

 

[call2arms]

Bartok5, I believe NS is giving SFRC or the retailer who sold their imported firearm a direct refund to then be passed on to you. If that is indeed the case, I would imagine NS would just write you a cheque for your invoiced value at time of purchase. I'll let this be answered by them, but figured this would be the case.


I do want to ask however, am I right in saying ONLY the plastic serialized shell needs to be handed in if we go the "keeping the parts" route? No trigger pack, bolt, etc. needs to be returned?

Are you asking about option 3? I think is take what you want and turn in the destroyed receiver to your local friendly cop shop. Don’t need SFRC for that

 

[GunnerTech]

Are you asking about option 3? I think is take what you want and turn in the destroyed receiver to your local friendly cop shop. Don’t need SFRC for that

Yes, option 3. I am aware SFRC is not involved in that, they just mention you can keep "all non-prohibited" parts. I'm making sure the only prohibited part is the receiver (serialized shell), and not the trigger pack or bolt as well. Since the RCMP thinks these are full auto, I want to know what all has to be turned in.

 

[Bartok5]

The original purchaser will get a store credit for what they paid for it if it’s sent back. If you are not the original purchaser and you send it back, you’ll need to arrange something with the person you bought it from.

Sorry, but you are not listening to what I am specifically saying. The original purchaser bought direct from NS. There was no "store" to grant a "store credit" for. So how does that work in this case?

 

[Karnage]

Yes, option 3. I am aware SFRC is not involved in that, they just mention you can keep "all non-prohibited" parts. I'm making sure the only prohibited part is the receiver (serialized shell), and not the trigger pack or bolt as well. Since the RCMP thinks these are full auto, I want to know what all has to be turned in.

According to the law, only the receiver of a machine gun is the prohibited part.
You can, and a lot of people do, own full-auto parts. Those are not illegal. Marstar sells machine gun parts all day long without issue.

Go to a gun show. You'll see full auto trigger packs, bolts, auto sears etc etc...

As far as I know, the Tavor's serialized steel insert is the receiver. I don't think the outer shell even counts as it doesn't have any serial number.
Of course if you asked a random officer or CFO they'll probably tell you to hand the whole thing in even though you can strip it.

 

[Geoff B]

It is nice that NS is compensating buyers of these rifles. What about the poor folks who bought CZ 858 rifles and ran into the same situation?

 

[Chemist]

Sorry, but you are not listening to what I am specifically saying. The original purchaser bought direct from NS. There was no "store" to grant a "store credit" for. So how does that work in this case?

I am listening. That person would deal with North Sylva as that is the original purchase location