X95 Non restricted whos getting one ?

Sasko31 said:
It's always interesting to see how people get jumped on here. It's no wonder no one participates in discussions.
This is why we can't have nice stuff........
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No one is getting jumped on for choosing to buy an X95, what you're getting hounded about is complaining about the accuracy of a rifle you obviously didn't do any research on or you would have known that expecting to see close to 1 moa groups from a Tavor or in this case the newest re-skin of one is unrealistic. You complain about the groups and say they rifle is no good then realize you're not even holding it correctly.

You basically bought a pickup truck and expected to go autocross it and do well even though you also don't know how to drive very well.

You most definitely can have nice things just don't come and complain about it not living up to your expectations when your expectations are unrealistic and exceed what the rifle was ever designed to do and what you are capable of doing with it. If you had researched your purchase ahead of time you would have known these are a 2 moa rifle on they're best day which means after going through numerous types of ammo to find the load it likes and if you are doing your part behind the trigger. Spending $3000 does not magically make you or the rifle an accurate shooting system capable of 1 moa groups.

Before your rebuttal, what did you title the thread you started?
 
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cr5 said:
No one is getting jumped on for choosing to buy an X95, what you're getting hounded about is complaining about the accuracy of a rifle you obviously didn't do any research on or you would have known that expecting to see close to 1 moa groups from a Tavor or in this case the newest re-skin of one is unrealistic. You complain about the groups and say they rifle is no good then realize you're not even holding it correctly.

You basically bought a pickup truck and expected to go autocross it and do well even though you also don't know how to drive very well.

You most definitely can have nice things just don't come and complain about it not living up to your expectations when your expectations are unrealistic and exceed what the rifle was ever designed to do and what you are capable of doing with it. If you had researched your purchase ahead of time you would have known these are a 2 moa rifle on they're best day which means after going through numerous types of ammo to find the load it likes and if you are doing your part behind the trigger. Spending $3000 does not magically make you or the rifle an accurate shooting system capable of 1 moa groups.
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Well said :agree: I have one and love it but i also did my research first.
 
cr5 said:
No one is getting jumped on for choosing to buy an X95, what you're getting hounded about is complaining about the accuracy of a rifle you obviously didn't do any research on or you would have known that expecting to see close to 1 moa groups from a Tavor or in this case the newest re-skin of one is unrealistic. You complain about the groups and say they rifle is no good then realize you're not even holding it correctly.

You basically bought a pickup truck and expected to go autocross it and do well even though you also don't know how to drive very well.

You most definitely can have nice things just don't come and complain about it not living up to your expectations when your expectations are unrealistic and exceed what the rifle was ever designed to do and what you are capable of doing with it. If you had researched your purchase ahead of time you would have known these are a 2 moa rifle on they're best day which means after going through numerous types of ammo to find the load it likes and if you are doing your part behind the trigger. Spending $3000 does not magically make you or the rifle an accurate shooting system capable of 1 moa groups.

Before your rebuttal, what did you title the thread you started?
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What I was referring to about being jumped on was the nice comment an individual made in reference to sucking d#$&, and insulting the guy about his shooting ability. That was nice.
That's what I was referring to.
Now if you will go back up a rifle that will shoot a 2 inch group at a hundred is perfectly acceptable for my use. What is not acceptable is a rifle that will shoot 3 within an inch and then have 2 go for walk about consistently.....Then next group with same ammo same everything grow to 5 inches with not pattern to where they are landing that's not acceptable.
Not knowing how to hold a rifle.....That's interesting statement. You do not know me or my experience back ground, so based off of a comment I made about for whatever reason as soon as I removed my hand from foregrip and placed it on trigger guard, thus relieving any pressure on foregrip the rifle started to magically hit steel.....Yes I guess you can say then that I do not know how to hold a rifle.
I did alot of research, the videos and write ups were from last year so there was some expectation that iwi would have corrected any flaws prior to releasing them in Canada.....
Just a thought if you don't like what your reading here why participate in the discussion.
It is kind of irritating having people hide behind their key boards and sit there insulting people. I have purchased a rifle to fulfill a very specific role, in it's intended design role it has a very specific job to do. It needs to do that consistently, not for just first few shots. Least ways that's been my experience, basic marksmanship. Doing the same thing over and over again the exact same way......
 
cr5 said:
No one is getting jumped on for choosing to buy an X95, what you're getting hounded about is complaining about the accuracy of a rifle you obviously didn't do any research on or you would have known that expecting to see close to 1 moa groups from a Tavor or in this case the newest re-skin of one is unrealistic. You complain about the groups and say they rifle is no good then realize you're not even holding it correctly.

You basically bought a pickup truck and expected to go autocross it and do well even though you also don't know how to drive very well.

You most definitely can have nice things just don't come and complain about it not living up to your expectations when your expectations are unrealistic and exceed what the rifle was ever designed to do and what you are capable of doing with it. If you had researched your purchase ahead of time you would have known these are a 2 moa rifle on they're best day which means after going through numerous types of ammo to find the load it likes and if you are doing your part behind the trigger. Spending $3000 does not magically make you or the rifle an accurate shooting system capable of 1 moa groups.

Before your rebuttal, what did you title the thread you started?
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What I was referring to about being jumped on was the nice comment an individual made in reference to sucking d#$&, and insulting the guy about his shooting ability. That was nice.
That's what I was referring to.
Now if you will go back up a rifle that will shoot a 2 inch group at a hundred is perfectly acceptable for my use. What is not acceptable is a rifle that will shoot 3 within an inch and then have 2 go for walk about consistently.....Then next group with same ammo same everything grow to 5 inches with not pattern to where they are landing that's not acceptable.
Not knowing how to hold a rifle.....That's interesting statement. You do not know me or my experience back ground, so based off of a comment I made about for whatever reason as soon as I removed my hand from foregrip and placed it on trigger guard, thus relieving any pressure on foregrip the rifle started to magically hit steel.....Yes I guess you can say then that I do not know how to hold a rifle.
I did alot of research, the videos and write ups were from last year so there was some expectation that iwi would have corrected any flaws prior to releasing them in Canada.....
Just a thought if you don't like what your reading here why participate in the discussion.
It is kind of irritating having people hide behind their key boards and sit there insulting people. I have purchased a rifle to fulfill a very specific role, in it's intended design role it has a very specific job to do. It needs to do that consistently, not for just first few shots. Least ways that's been my experience, basic marksmanship. Doing the same thing over and over again the exact same way......
 
I notice on page 83 of the "operator" manual, there is an illustration showing the barrel with #5 Stabilizing Sleeve (indexes with foregrip).
It also shows #4 Teflon Sleeve.
I don't have the teflon sleeve. Do you folks have this part? Anyone know if the American rifles are being shipped with this part?
I'm just curious as it's only shown on page 83 and NOT in the incomplete exploded diagram.
Thanks folks.

Oh, and i'm sure all you Tavor gurus already know this but it looks like there's room in the buttstock cavity for a button cell battery or two.
 
patrickosuave said:
I notice on page 83 of the "operator" manual, there is an illustration showing the barrel with #5 Stabilizing Sleeve (indexes with foregrip).
It also shows #4 Teflon Sleeve.
I don't have the teflon sleeve. Do you folks have this part? Anyone know if the American rifles are being shipped with this part?
I'm just curious as it's only shown on page 83 and NOT in the incomplete exploded diagram.
Thanks folks.

Oh, and i'm sure all you Tavor gurus already know this but it looks like there's room in the buttstock cavity for a button cell battery or two.
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Will be checking mine after supper.
 
patrickosuave said:
I notice on page 83 of the "operator" manual, there is an illustration showing the barrel with #5 Stabilizing Sleeve (indexes with foregrip).
It also shows #4 Teflon Sleeve.
I don't have the teflon sleeve. Do you folks have this part? Anyone know if the American rifles are being shipped with this part?
I'm just curious as it's only shown on page 83 and NOT in the incomplete exploded diagram.
Thanks folks.

Oh, and i'm sure all you Tavor gurus already know this but it looks like there's room in the buttstock cavity for a button cell battery or two.
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The teflon sleave does not appear to be on any Canadian imports from the ones I have seen, however the US import models definitely had them previously, no idea about current shipments.
 
No idea, but I dont think we need the stabilizing sleave either as long as you are rocking a full length top rail (it supports/stabilizes the handguard sufficiently enough in my opinion, unless you plan to mount an aiming device on the handguard...) but it seems IWI is all about redundancy and reliability, no one cares about accuracy anyway... :p
 
Sasko31 said:
What I was referring to about being jumped on was the nice comment an individual made in reference to sucking d#$&, and insulting the guy about his shooting ability. That was nice.
That's what I was referring to.
Now if you will go back up a rifle that will shoot a 2 inch group at a hundred is perfectly acceptable for my use. What is not acceptable is a rifle that will shoot 3 within an inch and then have 2 go for walk about consistently.....Then next group with same ammo same everything grow to 5 inches with not pattern to where they are landing that's not acceptable.
Not knowing how to hold a rifle.....That's interesting statement. You do not know me or my experience back ground, so based off of a comment I made about for whatever reason as soon as I removed my hand from foregrip and placed it on trigger guard, thus relieving any pressure on foregrip the rifle started to magically hit steel.....Yes I guess you can say then that I do not know how to hold a rifle.
I did alot of research, the videos and write ups were from last year so there was some expectation that iwi would have corrected any flaws prior to releasing them in Canada.....
Just a thought if you don't like what your reading here why participate in the discussion.
It is kind of irritating having people hide behind their key boards and sit there insulting people. I have purchased a rifle to fulfill a very specific role, in it's intended design role it has a very specific job to do. It needs to do that consistently, not for just first few shots. Least ways that's been my experience, basic marksmanship. Doing the same thing over and over again the exact same way......
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I don't hide behind my keyboard, I would say the exact same things to your face if we were sitting around BSing over a couple beers. If we happened to be at my place where my private 100yd range is 10 feet behind my shop I would load up a couple mags of my ammo so you could try something different in your rifle and also see if I could do any better with it. I would also let you shoot my NR ACR and my AR180B-2 to let you see if one of those would fit your requirements better.
I just get tired of listening to people on this site whining about the accuracy of rifles that were originally designed as battle rifles where 4 moa is perfectly acceptable and they think that since it costs more than $1000 it should shoot 1 moa even though there are no previous reports of anyone shooting one moa groups and most of the guys yapping have never shot a sub moa group in their life but somehow their new rifle is supposed to magically transform them into a sniper.
You're right, I don't know you or your level of shooting experience, I only have what you type to go on and from what I've read you have a lot to learn about shooting a semi auto bullpup for accuracy, not that there is a lot of room for improvement with the Tavor/X95 but 2 moa should be possible once you find a type of ammo the rifle likes.
You say you did your research but if you had you would have known that the Tavor is known for kinda poor accuracy (compared to an AR or ACR or other rifles better known for accuracy) and thinking that they would have fixed the "flaws" is silly since there are very few flaws in it's design as it fills the role it was designed to do very well. It was never intended to be a varmint rifle or a DMR for precision shooting.
The very specific role you bought it to fulfill was never in the rifles requirements when it was designed so you made a mistake buying the X95 for the role you want it to fill.
Why participate in the discussion? Why not? I don't get upset when people don't agree with me and I don't care if people like what I have to say, I have first hand experience with the Tavor and I like to debate/argue when I don't agree with what people are saying.
 
cr5 said:
I don't hide behind my keyboard, I would say the exact same things to your face if we were sitting around BSing over a couple beers. If we happened to be at my place where my private 100yd range is 10 feet behind my shop I would load up a couple mags of my ammo so you could try something different in your rifle and also see if I could do any better with it. I would also let you shoot my NR ACR and my AR180B-2 to let you see if one of those would fit your requirements better.
I just get tired of listening to people on this site whining about the accuracy of rifles that were originally designed as battle rifles where 4 moa is perfectly acceptable and they think that since it costs more than $1000 it should shoot 1 moa even though there are no previous reports of anyone shooting one moa groups and most of the guys yapping have never shot a sub moa group in their life but somehow their new rifle is supposed to magically transform them into a sniper.
You're right, I don't know you or your level of shooting experience, I only have what you type to go on and from what I've read you have a lot to learn about shooting a semi auto bullpup for accuracy, not that there is a lot of room for improvement with the Tavor/X95 but 2 moa should be possible once you find a type of ammo the rifle likes.
You say you did your research but if you had you would have known that the Tavor is known for kinda poor accuracy (compared to an AR or ACR or other rifles better known for accuracy) and thinking that they would have fixed the "flaws" is silly since there are very few flaws in it's design as it fills the role it was designed to do very well. It was never intended to be a varmint rifle or a DMR for precision shooting.
The very specific role you bought it to fulfill was never in the rifles requirements when it was designed so you made a mistake buying the X95 for the role you want it to fill.
Why participate in the discussion? Why not? I don't get upset when people don't agree with me and I don't care if people like what I have to say, I have first hand experience with the Tavor and I like to debate/argue when I don't agree with what people are saying.
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I do wish I was closer, yes I would love to have a go at your ACR.
I some times forget when you post on a public forum you are leaving your self open to public critique. Which is good but can be quite interesting if your not used to or prepared for it. I have read back through the post and yes I should have worded things differently.
I know there is alot involved with shooting a bullpup that after a lot of years of shooting long rifles is counter intuitive. It will take some getting used to. Like I said committed to 500 rounds through it. Hopefully it settles out or I get more comfortable with it.
Yes thanks for your offer by the way, I have always been interested in the ACR.
 
cr5 said:
Leave the thread? Lol, back to the comments of ten year old children.
First of all this thread was started by Dilligaf so eat a d!_k, it is not yours and you have no say in anything regarding who can comment or what they can say. What fun would it be if we all agreed about everything?
Secondly, since this is a public forum I can say anything I want about any comment made by any person on this site. You don't have to agree and you're free to argue/debate all you like.
Thirdly, don't get so defensive, we don't have to agree on anything. We all have an opinion and if you like your X95 then good for you but don't try to tell me that 25 yard groups of over an inch should impress anyone. I was doing better than that with my Tavor and it was sold off after a couple months.
Fourth, since I own or have owned or at least shot pretty much every non restricted black rifle we're allowed to have in Canada other than the newest releases and used them for varmint and predator hunting I think I'm a pretty good source of info with first hand experience that someone like you who sounds like this is your first real black rifle might want to listen to instead of getting mad because you think I'm bashing your precious $3000 rifle, these days $3k is becoming an entry level rifle if you want a quality non restricted 223.
I'm not bashing it, I'm just saying that it is not the best choice for certain shooting disciplines while you seem to think that because it was $3000 it should be good for everything.

You are almost correct that shooting from a bench is the best way to sight in a firearm but the truth is that on your belly off sandbags is still more stable. I understand that some ranges don't allow that which is sad and why I bought land I can shoot on so I'm not restricted by stupid rules.
Unfortunately your groups show me that you are not supporting your rifle properly and you are not shooting to the potential of the platform, you will still need to try different brands and weights of ammunition to tighten those groups up.

You want a battle proven platform? Heading off to war with your rifle? Need the most reliable rifle you can buy for when the zombies come?
Militaries buy the cheapest tool that will pass the reliability test. There are always better options than milspec or battle proven. Don't forget that they have armourers for a reason, everything breaks and having an expert there to fix things is required no matter what rifle is being used.

The Tavor and if the X95 is as well built are great rifles that are for the the most part very reliable but nothing you do will make them an accurate rifle if you are comparing them to the potential of some of the other platforms available, they excel in other areas and like you mention are not 3 meters long.
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Filling a thread with redundant comments about the Tavor/X95 accuracy doesn't really help anyone.

Calling people children..... Really 'adult" of you. About as adult as telling people to eat d!cks.

I'm pretty sure most of us that bought one knew they weren't going to be tack drivers. People that did think that, didn't do their research.

You keep trying to imply that I was attempting to impress people with my photos... I don't claim anywhere that I am a good shooter. I am a new, as of two years ago, shooter, that has owned an XCR keymod, Su16 FX, norinco ar and now an X95, as well as a few pistols. I also have a handful of shotguns and rifles for hunting. I would never claim I am a good shot, especially free hand... I am a newbie that has done a bit of reading. I saw a post a few pages back, and the guy's 25 yd groups were really bad, so I posted my 25 yard groups as a comparison, so people don't think it is really that bad of a firearm. I absolutely could get the groups tighter. That was with a hot barrel, letting it cool between groups, and fairly rapidly. I also did mention I have only tried one type of ammo so far, but do intent to try others.

You also keep implying that I myself think this was an all round gun.. Nope, never said that either. I also never complained about accuracy. I knew what I was getting into.

You are correct.. The range I was at does not let you shoot prone, but it is the closest, and my family farm is much farther away.

Yes, I am heading off to war.. You called it. Battle proven = tough construction and go boom every time. Seems like basic logic to me. They can take abuse and just work. My XCR, not so much.

There are indeed more accurate guns.. Did I buy this for that? Nope. But seeing as its built so ruggedly, I don't have to worry about it beating it up, which is a big bonus for me. Plus it's my first bullpup, and I have wanted a tavor for a long time.

I would build a 3k AR tomorrow if I could take it anywhere but the range, but I can't, so I won't. I do plan on building one just to increase the numbers though.

The Modern Varmint is on my radar for various reasons. It just seems a bit too finicky for me.

I'd love to try all the guns I have been eye balling, and learn from experienced shooters, just don't know many people that shoot anything other than hunting rifles and shotguns.

Anyway, it just gets annoying seeing the same recycled comments constantly.. I don't post much because I have seen how it usually turns out. I'll keep following the thread for info though!
 
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some of us here have been able to shoot a tavor with sand bags to 1.5 moa with 5 shot groups multiple groups
thats pretty good and it took a week of no coffee and headaches and a very quiet range day for me to do it
 
Ok, surprising day......Took off barrel ring last night. Keep in mind I do not shoot off a bench, standing on back deck with trigger guard rested on rail with 62 gr barnaul steel case. 5 out of 5 on my 12 by 8 steel plate at 174 meters. Then everything went for a crapper barrel heated up I suspect.
But for me this is workable accuracy now.
Had an excellent suggestion to run some steel cased ammo through it to smooth out action...It worked action is no longer full of copper and noses of bullets are not getting gouged up.
But well pleased with this mornings results. This rifle would not do this last week.....We are now sitting at 240 rounds through it.
 
Sasko31 said:
Ok, surprising day......Took off barrel ring last night. Keep in mind I do not shoot off a bench, standing on back deck with trigger guard rested on rail with 62 gr barnaul steel case. 5 out of 5 on my 12 by 8 steel plate at 174 meters. Then everything went for a crapper barrel heated up I suspect.
But for me this is workable accuracy now.
Had an excellent suggestion to run some steel cased ammo through it to smooth out action...It worked action is no longer full of copper and noses of bullets are not getting gouged up.
But well pleased with this mornings results. This rifle would not do this last week.....We are now sitting at 240 rounds through it.
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The hot barrel observation seems consistent with you tube reviews.
 
norlandgeese said:
The hot barrel observation seems consistent with you tube reviews.
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Yes you could see the rounds impacting all around the plate after five rounds. As soon as the barrel heated up, but the fact it will now hit those first five times consistently is a relief.
Not sure how much of a factor the bullet gouging was but cycling a mag through, it is no longer happening.
 
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