XCR Accuracy
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Throttle_monkey1
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I've never been a good shot from a bench. There is no way I could shoot moa with any gun on paper. I can hit gophers all day long out to 200 m though. But that is not moa either. If this guy is ####ting us, whatever, I still could not hit a 12 ga. Hull at 100 m
I heard that.
My aggregate with LE6920 16" and ACOG 4x and 62gr Winchester Green Box loads shooting:
- 5 rnds prone
- 5 rounds sitting
- 5 rnds kneeling
- 5 rounds standing
only nets me approximately 5" at 200 on a good day and I am VERY happy with that. And I'd be leary about betting my rifle on it at that...
I also take real note when people can regularly best it.
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In theory I could, I still have some of this ammo left I'll have to try it. I've only tried UMC at that range, it printed more or less 2 moa at 100m and got angry (too much expections) so I tested the bullet drop compensator at 200y . But its getting hard to find the appropriate reference point on the target at this range with only 3.5x.
I see everybody is quick to call bullspit on this guy, but i have seen quite a few rifles that love the cheapest factory ammo you can throw in them, now all though i am not familiar with the particular rifle in question, I have seen norinco m-14s that will put umc ammo all in the same hole at 100 yards, so to me the story sounds at least half believable but i do think some pics of targets are in order
I'd like to see it myself. But the XCR is a special animal when talking of black rifles: sometimes the ejector bolts are not loctited correctly and the ejector becomes loose creating malfunctions... So this make all these guns shoot minimum 5" with reloads and barrel blows up etc..., same crap all the time... Thats why I rarely waste my time defending this rifle. They have their shortcomings, but damn...
To back up what Robmcleod82 mentioned, CHEAP factory ammo can produce some pretty excellent results. The best group I have shot out of my Savage 12FVSS to date was a 5 shot group a little under .6 MOA at 100 yards using Winchester white box 55gr. value pack ammunition. I still haven't been able to beat that group using my hand loaded .223 with 69gr Lapua pills. but perhaps that just speaks to my ability as a precision reloader/shooter haha.
HOWEVER, my experiences with Am. Eagle 55gr lead me to believe this stuff is garbage and I don't bother buying it.
HOWEVER, my experiences with Am. Eagle 55gr lead me to believe this stuff is garbage and I don't bother buying it.
It hardly matters - for this type of shooting , irons are every bit as accurate as scopes. Scopes come into their own off of benches. I have out-shot scopes with peep sights (offhand), just to show it can be done.
The key here is consistant groups. Anyone and their dog can likely hit moa at 100m with most stuff. It's doing it consistantly (like 90-100% of the time, and with well more than 5 rounds. Try shooting 30 to 50 rounds to see what the real numbers are.
Sure you have.
Maybe in close, but scopes have a decided advantage at distance. At 200 yards (as in this case) and comparing apples to apples, you wouldn't have a chance.
If you've outshot someone with irons, congrats. -you have a better grasp of marksmanship principles than your opponent.
That is truely outstanding shooting!
That's good shooting as well. Ahh, but he's saying his 13 pound trigger semi auto outshoots your 26" bolt action varmint, with american eagle no less.
Those of you who have these 'shoots-into-one-hole' semis should compete, you'll beat all the best shooters in Canada and take home all the trophies.
beltfed - I disagree. Peeps are just as accurate if not better than scopes. I'd prefer peeps that are matched with bull size for particular distance than scope of unknown quality. One day at the range I remember having quite a discussion "peeps vs scope" and after a bit of shooting we found there is no advantage to scope in target shooting. We were trading rifles too so there is no shooter's skills in equation.
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good question. Maybe there is slight advantage to scopes which is so minute that only BR competitors can realise. Say, for us there was no difference in 100 yards 4-position shooting and everyone ended up competing in the same class. Shooting rimfire at 50 yards it never made much difference to me whether I shoot with peeps or scope. Scope is way more comfortable and gives better view. With peeps you actually do not see the outside world but only ghost ring, ring and black dot in the middle, kind of different discipline. But as far as accuracy goes it doesn't matter.
Partly because you're at the limits of accuracy, shooting at targets that can't be seen with peep sights - but also because benchrest is not for score, it's for group size. So you have to be able to see each bullet impact.
