First off hope everyone is having a good day. I am looking to getting into black rifles. I had a cz 858 years ago and have been looking at getting Ar style platform. I have been looking at Ar15's and it seems the xcr has alot of benefits being NR is one.I do have my RPAL.When it comes to firearms the most valued asset to me is reliability. I know some people are going to say get Tavor(which I would) but they are out of my price range. I would like a none bias opinions on the xcr or should I just get an Ar15. For the questions about use. It will not apply to this question.Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks
XCR Are they worth the money?
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MIRAMICHIER
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I have had one for 3 years came in .223 and later on bought the 7.63x39 barrel conversion and paid 1800.00 used not counting the barrel conversion.It always shot well with both calipers no problem.As for the present I would like to see them more accurate for the 2600.00 you are going to pay for.I have been looking for an ACR Bushmaster the non restricted ones,might sell the XCR ???
Another thread....ok, I am bored at work so I will post again.
I own an XCR-L and I love it. It hasn't failed me once....and I can use it for Coyote hunting....if it wasn't so ####in cold right now!!
PLENTY accurate for Coyotes and a blast to shoot. The ergos are second to none, but that is just my lowly opinion. I am not a fan of BullPups personally. I sold my T97 to help with the XCR. If ARs were NR, I would not own an XCR, fact, but only because of the price of a quality AR versus an XCR.
Now, the benchrest, "Get an ACR" folks will be here shortly, touting the ACR's exceptional accuracy, but you will have to take the time to convert an ACR to NR.
I own an XCR-L and I love it. It hasn't failed me once....and I can use it for Coyote hunting....if it wasn't so ####in cold right now!!
PLENTY accurate for Coyotes and a blast to shoot. The ergos are second to none, but that is just my lowly opinion. I am not a fan of BullPups personally. I sold my T97 to help with the XCR. If ARs were NR, I would not own an XCR, fact, but only because of the price of a quality AR versus an XCR.Now, the benchrest, "Get an ACR" folks will be here shortly, touting the ACR's exceptional accuracy, but you will have to take the time to convert an ACR to NR.
I have an XCR-M. I would agree that the ergonomics are second to none. I believe that part of the inflated price for these things is the non-restricted tax. Get the keymod and lightweight barrel as those ones shed much of the long stroke piston weight.
Being from the States(in Canada currently)I had the ARs and coyote hunted with them along with plinking, targets, etc. and really like the platform.
Having said that I have come to appreciate the XCR-L keymod I'm currently breaking in.
Between the two I'd say the AR is better from a "proven thru decades standpoint", cheaper, accuracy is good, more difficult to clean and here in Kanuckistan, Restricted.
The XCR takes some break in(I am running mine wet with a light 3-1 oil due to winter and from an initial gas setting of 2.) Had a few
(5-6) stoppages in the first 100-150 rounds as I went from BlK box AE FMJ to Hornady VMax, to Fed SMK, to Fed AE JHP sometimes in the same magazine.
I concentrated mostly on simply getting rounds down range in order to familiarize myself with the gun and do the recommended break in rather bench test. I did, after finding the Fed AE 50 gr JHP shot more accurately offhand, I did shoot sitting from a 3 legged stool in the field @ 100m and was 2-2 3/4".
Groups sitting with my back against a fence post and shooting to 243m produced 6" groups with Blk box AE FMJ, 4-4 1/2 with Hornady VMax and 3-3 1/2" with AE 50 JHP
Before running out of the Fed AE 50 JHP I took the last mag and a half and shot prone with a 6-9 Harris Bipod and a popcorn filled sock for a rear bag. The two groups were 1" and 1 1/4".
After ordering and receiving 10 boxes of the Fed 50 gr JHP, I continued to break in with only one stoppage and tried the new lot of Fed AE 50 JHP again at 100m after repositioning the front sling swivel stud(bipod mount), prone in 1ft. of snow off a mat and the bipod resting on my backpack.
Results were 3-3 1/2". Honestly, I was uncomfortable, -22 C, laying in a foot snow and the bipod feet on an unstable backpack as opposed to the previous try with them firmly on the ground.
The new XCR-L keymod apparently is lighter and more accurate than the older models(just a guess from reading) and very close/same as the accuracy of a stock out of the box AR(I'm basing that on a Colt Hbar and a Bushmaster Entry I had from about 5-6 years ago)
I don't "mag dump", I'm mostly a hunter and target type, although I did dump 2 mags from the Entry into a meth lab I found on my lease in the States. So my shooting and accuracy results may differ from what you use the platform for. I have noticed two groups of vertical stringing at 100m from prone(5 rnds/group)but I'm betting it's me pushing the butt trying to get low enough to get a full scope rather than any heat/light barrel/ROF issues.
My 2 cents as a reference towards helping you decide.
ETA just in case you consider the newer BAR type semi, I recently had a 243 ShorTrac(same basic design as the FNAR/Hogstalker) and it was the worst gun I have ever owned, seen owned, shot, seen shot or heard of. The browning rep(US) told me they only guarantee 5" at 100 yds. They leave that tidbit out of their ads.
Having said that I have come to appreciate the XCR-L keymod I'm currently breaking in.
Between the two I'd say the AR is better from a "proven thru decades standpoint", cheaper, accuracy is good, more difficult to clean and here in Kanuckistan, Restricted.
The XCR takes some break in(I am running mine wet with a light 3-1 oil due to winter and from an initial gas setting of 2.) Had a few
(5-6) stoppages in the first 100-150 rounds as I went from BlK box AE FMJ to Hornady VMax, to Fed SMK, to Fed AE JHP sometimes in the same magazine.
I concentrated mostly on simply getting rounds down range in order to familiarize myself with the gun and do the recommended break in rather bench test. I did, after finding the Fed AE 50 gr JHP shot more accurately offhand, I did shoot sitting from a 3 legged stool in the field @ 100m and was 2-2 3/4".
Groups sitting with my back against a fence post and shooting to 243m produced 6" groups with Blk box AE FMJ, 4-4 1/2 with Hornady VMax and 3-3 1/2" with AE 50 JHP
Before running out of the Fed AE 50 JHP I took the last mag and a half and shot prone with a 6-9 Harris Bipod and a popcorn filled sock for a rear bag. The two groups were 1" and 1 1/4".
After ordering and receiving 10 boxes of the Fed 50 gr JHP, I continued to break in with only one stoppage and tried the new lot of Fed AE 50 JHP again at 100m after repositioning the front sling swivel stud(bipod mount), prone in 1ft. of snow off a mat and the bipod resting on my backpack.
Results were 3-3 1/2". Honestly, I was uncomfortable, -22 C, laying in a foot snow and the bipod feet on an unstable backpack as opposed to the previous try with them firmly on the ground.
The new XCR-L keymod apparently is lighter and more accurate than the older models(just a guess from reading) and very close/same as the accuracy of a stock out of the box AR(I'm basing that on a Colt Hbar and a Bushmaster Entry I had from about 5-6 years ago)
I don't "mag dump", I'm mostly a hunter and target type, although I did dump 2 mags from the Entry into a meth lab I found on my lease in the States. So my shooting and accuracy results may differ from what you use the platform for. I have noticed two groups of vertical stringing at 100m from prone(5 rnds/group)but I'm betting it's me pushing the butt trying to get low enough to get a full scope rather than any heat/light barrel/ROF issues.
My 2 cents as a reference towards helping you decide.
ETA just in case you consider the newer BAR type semi, I recently had a 243 ShorTrac(same basic design as the FNAR/Hogstalker) and it was the worst gun I have ever owned, seen owned, shot, seen shot or heard of. The browning rep(US) told me they only guarantee 5" at 100 yds. They leave that tidbit out of their ads.
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Hotwheels81
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- South of GP
I "had" one in x39... I feel that my T97 is a far better value being it's as accurate and far nicer to carry around all day.
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If you don't care about it being restricted by all means get an AR15. They seem more affordable than an XCR and other non-restricted options. There are also more choices and price points available. That being said, I went to an indoor range the other day for the first time. I wanted to sight in my new scope (XCR-L owner) and that is the LAST time I ever shoot a rifle indoors. As long as I can continue to shoot my gun in the bush, I will NOT be purchasing a restricted rifle. All things considered, the XCR-L met my criterion and was well worth the extra dough to be shoot a black rifle outside of a certified range.
- Location
- Brant County, Ontario
I owned one a few years ago and loved it, sold it just because of money issues when we started having kids. I want to buy another one soon and I am wondering about the differences between the heavy and light barrel versions? My primary use would be hunting.
I used to hunt deer in a hunting camp , at Devils Lake ONT. The Calibers ranged from 30 30, 30 06 ,308,7mm. All seemed a bit overkill to me. On an animal that is only a 100+ lbs. I have the XCR-L leymod and it is an excellent rifle , and it would have no problems taking down a deer.
