XCR Are they worth the money?
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As an avid backcountry backpacker, you can be assured that sh%t get's caught on sh%t you'd never think possible. If the XCR was slung on enough soldiers backs I almost guarantee that that little lever would get released by someone and that carrier group would end up in the dirt/sand/snow. I'd prefer it if the XCR had 2 retained pins instead of a spring tensioned lever.
Fair enough on the gas block however, I'd be surprised if rifles didn't regularly get cleaned and disassembled during war. All it takes is a small mistake and suddenly those soldiers are firing a gas valve down range in single shot fashion. I suppose attention to detail is a factor with any rifle though.
Again, I'm not a soldier so these are just things I question when examining my XCR.
this is true, reason why I will no longer hunt with a lever action. Had one go off (accidental discharge) in thick brush looking for a wounded animal, lucky nobody got hurt but never again.
The safety is in the lever itself, you need to hold it against the rifle and pull the trigger at the same time which the brush did and it was already cocked given the situation at hand.
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At least one Christian Arms which cost almost $4000 was broken out of the box in Canada that we known of. Not all guns are perfect.
Yep that was my piece of crap CA. Got a colt with the refund, never looked back, been almost a year now that colt runs smooth as butter.
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I hear you, but let me clarify, please.
@ 3800 rounds, op-rod cracked. I was told it's uncommon and still don't know the cause.
@ 10,000+ rounds, we went full redneck and blew off a couple hundred rounds, bump-firing. The week after, I had a click. Re-####, bang. Opened up the gun and found a broken leg on the hammer spring. The replacement is "H" for heavy, it's for x39 surplus ammo.
The hammer spring I find acceptable. I'm a mechanic, I know thing break. The op-rod shouldn't have failed, but my new one is a design change. Maybe it is common. The gun will fire 100% with the cracked op rod.
Fwiw, the first ever match I entered, there were 1x Swiss, 2x XCR, 1x Tavor, and 26 ARs. 4 ARs broke in the first stage. Guns break.
As for as the take-down lever and the gas valve; How do you put the valve in without choosing your setting? That is not a mechanical fault, it's user error. Saying it should be built different because you might fvck up, is weak. If the gun had "made it", I'm sure the valve would have been wired. The lever I don't know, this is the first I've thought about it. I carry tight to my chest and the lever rides right against my pack stap. Never had a problem.
I don't think the gun is perfect, and if I were a range shooter I probably wouldn't have it. I paid a premium for nr status, but knew that going in. Again, for me it was worth it.
Dude, I have an XCR and love it but I find that's the problem with many gun owners, blind acceptance. The gas valve thing is of course human error.... However, like being in the backcountry, the best way to avoid accidents is to reduce the probability of accidents. The lever thing is just a criticism based on physics. If that lever gets caught, it will spill the bolt group. Period. Maybe it will never happen. There may or may not be a better solution. Who knows but I think it's a valid observation.
These are just things I'd address if I absolutely HAD to pick something to criticise. Other than that, I'm 2000 rounds down range and going strong. Awesome rifle.
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I dont have a issue with my M and would like a 223 as well. I have finally found a load that is sub moa at a 100. I think a 223 would be a nice edition.
r34skyline
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SL8 is not made anymore, factory mags are rare and expensive, as are the other parts, and you have to convert it to take stanag mags, I did forget to mention the mention the FS200, absurdly rare, and has its own can of worms, and unless i am mistaken needs aftermarket barrel to make it NR. The PS90... Good luck with finding ammo for that, reliability won't be your concern, and like the acr needs some conversion barrel to go NR. The ACR is restricted unless you are willing to jump hoops to make it NR, I don't like fiddling with my guns, I am the buy and shoot guy. I want the gun built right out of the box which makes most of the stock restricted a no go. Unless the conversion barrels can be proven to have equal or superior wear characteristics and durability, and I very much doubt that broached stuff holds a candle to the factory chf chrome lined barrel(accuracy is a non issue since I have different expectations out of black rifles than dedicated precision rigs). I did mention the cz858 and VZ58. I wouldn't recommend the 223 for the propietary mags, unless they want to pop on a mag adapter, even then it sounds sketchy and not conducive to hard use. In 7.62x39 chambering I wouldn't consider anything other than a vz58(cz858 if it weren't prohib).
vendors on this site have stock
no, I run guns has both original G36 and Pmags for G36
what do you need?
why, the G36 mags are arguably the most reliable design out there
rare yes but they do come up for sale
such as?,
yes
I run guns
of course not
I run guns selling them in NR
no hoops, just swap barrel
It is a multi caliber rifle, there is no fiddling to remove and install another barrel once it has been made.
yes, so I forgot to mention T97, Beneli MR1, Su16 and probably more
what rifles are you saying have chrome lined barrels?.
what is the issue with mags?
some are not and the rest are in limbo until the new legislation
This "NonRes price gouging" argument is getting old and holds no water.
Yes,they are more pricey then most AR platform offerings,but that's not an exclusively CDN issue,the MSRP on the XCR-L in the USA is $1995+(RobArms 2014).
Wolverine(2014) was offering them at $2350 before the CDN $$ tanked....some old stock is still available at 2014 prices,the newer stuff has risen $3-400 to reflect the low CDN dollar no doubt.....do tell,where is the "overpriced CDN gouging" after exchange rate,import fees,and (very small) profit margin?
Granted,I'll admit that many CDNS,self included,are making their buying decisions based on the XCR's NR status that might otherwise have bought an AR platform for 1/2 the $$(or less)......but the XCR price is NOT inflated to gouge CDNS,they are a pricey option south of the border as well.
r34skyline
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Brian 46.
For the FS2000, its picky mag compatibility, its idiotic closed chamber design makes dealing with some malfunctions bloody awful, fragile charging handle, no last round bolt hold open(this is a seriously irritating feature to be missing in a modern gun), coupled with nearly no spare parts. Along with the inherent flaws every bullpup comes with.
For the PS90, how much is the ammo? And spare mags? Where are you getting spare parts. Run a gun hard enough even my treasured halo gun(416a5) and you will break it. While the more durable guns extend parts life out farther and reduce chance of breaking parts, it doesn't eliminate them. A spare parts supply might not be critical to you but it is a priority to me. I like my stuff operational as long as I can keep it running. My snide comment on the reliability was that the ammo costs would have driven you broke long before the gun breaks.
Words cannot describe how much I wanted the SCAR to make it through... but it didn't.
As a field gun I think the SL8 is heavier than it should be. A near 9lb rifle bare? Also lacks threading for muzzle device. The G36 mags are not cheap, also takes time to order. I think the SL8 is a damn good rifle for a DMR/SPR build mostly because you just pop on a good scope and bipod and you are set. But if you are willing to deal with expensive mags, and have a supply chain for parts it can be a great rifle from the reliability standpoint. But I am skeptical on where to get parts from(I own multiple Hk handguns at this point so I am painfully aware how time consuming and annoying getting parts are for them.)
Like I said for 7.62x39 I am not really interested in anything other than a vz58 or cz858, at least with what we have as an offering for now. With potential for the radom msbs or the cz805 that can always change.
The ACR, I don't know if their initial reliability issues have been resolved, I dislike the weight of the gun, if IRG is selling them NR out of the box with a mil spec barrel, it is a viable option then. Unless the cost is absurd like 3500 for the rifle.
As for the T97, I mentioned it already. Anything norinco is a no go with me, their qc is all over the place, im sure there is a couple good ones out there, but most are ####.
The Su16 is a fragile thing. It's not built tough, I have yet to see evidence suggesting otherwise.
The MR1 I know very little about. Benelli is a reputable make, the gun has weird ergos from handling one, and I have found no reviews of how they hold up to hard use, if anyone on here has a taken a low attrition rate course please let me know how it worked out, also a long term use report would be nice.
For the chrome lined barrels I was refering to the aftermarket barrels put on some of the restricted guns. Are they made from the same grade of steel and chrome lined? OR proven to be superior to a mil spec barrel for durability, and longetivity?
For the FS2000, its picky mag compatibility, its idiotic closed chamber design makes dealing with some malfunctions bloody awful, fragile charging handle, no last round bolt hold open(this is a seriously irritating feature to be missing in a modern gun), coupled with nearly no spare parts. Along with the inherent flaws every bullpup comes with.
For the PS90, how much is the ammo? And spare mags? Where are you getting spare parts. Run a gun hard enough even my treasured halo gun(416a5) and you will break it. While the more durable guns extend parts life out farther and reduce chance of breaking parts, it doesn't eliminate them. A spare parts supply might not be critical to you but it is a priority to me. I like my stuff operational as long as I can keep it running. My snide comment on the reliability was that the ammo costs would have driven you broke long before the gun breaks.
Words cannot describe how much I wanted the SCAR to make it through... but it didn't.
As a field gun I think the SL8 is heavier than it should be. A near 9lb rifle bare? Also lacks threading for muzzle device. The G36 mags are not cheap, also takes time to order. I think the SL8 is a damn good rifle for a DMR/SPR build mostly because you just pop on a good scope and bipod and you are set. But if you are willing to deal with expensive mags, and have a supply chain for parts it can be a great rifle from the reliability standpoint. But I am skeptical on where to get parts from(I own multiple Hk handguns at this point so I am painfully aware how time consuming and annoying getting parts are for them.)
Like I said for 7.62x39 I am not really interested in anything other than a vz58 or cz858, at least with what we have as an offering for now. With potential for the radom msbs or the cz805 that can always change.
The ACR, I don't know if their initial reliability issues have been resolved, I dislike the weight of the gun, if IRG is selling them NR out of the box with a mil spec barrel, it is a viable option then. Unless the cost is absurd like 3500 for the rifle.
As for the T97, I mentioned it already. Anything norinco is a no go with me, their qc is all over the place, im sure there is a couple good ones out there, but most are ####.
The Su16 is a fragile thing. It's not built tough, I have yet to see evidence suggesting otherwise.
The MR1 I know very little about. Benelli is a reputable make, the gun has weird ergos from handling one, and I have found no reviews of how they hold up to hard use, if anyone on here has a taken a low attrition rate course please let me know how it worked out, also a long term use report would be nice.
For the chrome lined barrels I was refering to the aftermarket barrels put on some of the restricted guns. Are they made from the same grade of steel and chrome lined? OR proven to be superior to a mil spec barrel for durability, and longetivity?
Do I need to look it up, I Run Guns is a vendor here and have a section with links to their site, they sell the P90 already in Non restricted form as well
http://www.irunguns.com/product.fnh-usa-57x28-50-round-magazine-ps90
https://www.irunguns.us/product.php?p=hk-g36-30-round-mag-pinned-to-5
http://www.irunguns.com/product.magpul-industries-pmag-30-round-maglevel-hk-g36
http://www.wanstallsonline.com/h-k-sl8-.223.html
ask these guys to price match
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/7091/Heckler-and-Koch-SL8-5-223-Rifle-Long-Rail.aspx
parts
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/products.aspx?brand=H%26K
some are still non restricted, not all are temporarily prohibited by the rcmp
no, IRG is selling the P90 in NR like I posted $2000
what restricted guns are chrome lined in those mentioned above? the ACR is not for starters
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Lmao! My thread has been Jacked! Thanks for the help to the people trying to help me with my decision. And to the other people, thanks for the advice on what caliber to use for hunting, and other guns have cheap mags. Lol
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Haha, so you going to get one?
