XCR Are they worth the money?

To elaborate on my earlier comment, I don't believe it is debatable that the XCR is a well made rifle and thousands are enjoyed by their owners. The quality of workmanship is high - no tooling or machine marks, slick action, close tolerances. The overall design is reasonably sound and I'm not convinced the barrel retention method is the Achilles heel many make it out to be; while it's not optimal it is at least consistent and without too much testing I seem to squeeze respectable accuracy out of my two.

Asking are they worth the money is like asking is an Audi R8 worth the money. Not to compare the R8 with the XCR directly but two important factors are shared between the two - what is your desired use, and what is your locale?

Ignoring bugetary constraints, if you live in the GTA an R8 might suit you as a flashy commuter and travel vehicle cruising along the 401 going back and forth between business meetings and such. The quality of the roadways and distances make it more ameliorable than say Winnipeg, where you're more likely to catch a $5,000 repair bill for hitting one of our vehicle-swallowing potholes in the springtime. For my uses it would be reasonably useless as every weekend I'm heading off-road and carrying equipment, so I drive a pickup.

The XCR is much the same. In the GTA the non-restricted status means less because the closest shooting venues are indoor ranges where you can take a restricted firearm. You can get ARs starting at $500 so to punch holes in paper you can accomplish it with a greater breadth of hardware and for less money. On the prairies where Crown land and open fields abound we may not want to be constrained to a range and shoot in more casual spots. Enter the XCR and other non-restricted black rifles where the price tag is justifiable given the flexibility in use. It's a price many of us are willing to pay.

Once you can answer the two questions about use and location you will know whether the XCR is "worth the money" for you. There isn't a right or wrong answer, just what suits your needs.
 
I think if you live in the cities a nice combination of NR and R firearms is a good idea, but taking my NR in the field is about 2 hours drive + forestey roads and I own a small honda so forget about going on my own, so I would need to invest in a truct or heavy duty SUV, and frankly I dont want too, im not a fan of big cars. I have a city type job, means Ill always need to be in the cities, not only that but I need to be in a city where international flights land and take off direct. So I have to keep in mind that NR is not so important for my use of firearms.

I wish I had a shooting buddy who has a big truck, but unfortunately in the buddy department Im the only one who shoots, they are all married to little princesses with no guns in the house rules.
 
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In my opinion no it's not worth the money.
That being said the XCR is not a bad platform and from the 4 L's and 2 M's I've shot they are well made and are reliable. I just think there are better rifles out there for $2500. If you're buying used they come much closer to what I personally think they are worth.

It really comes down to what you think they are worth. If it fits all your requirements, you like the rifle and it's inside your budget then to you it's probably worth the money. Personally I'd rather spend a little more and get a rifle that fits my requirements better.
 
For those of us who may live hours from our gun club, then non restricted is a must. The club I belong to is three hours away and I shoot there only three or four times a year some years. Having a rifle that I can shoot anywhere is then worth the premium in some regards. Are they over priced? Of course. That is the non restricted tax we pay so that we can use them to mitigate the asinine gun laws in this country.
 
Like what? A poorly put together piece of crap.


Sorry couldn't resist, I'll be nice now.

Cheers D

Ha ha i knew that was coming. NO!!!! Fun easy to own easy to maintain rifle that everyone should have in their collection.
 
In my opinion no it's not worth the money.
That being said the XCR is not a bad platform and from the 4 L's and 2 M's I've shot they are well made and are reliable. I just think there are better rifles out there for $2500. If you're buying used they come much closer to what I personally think they are worth.

It really comes down to what you think they are worth. If it fits all your requirements, you like the rifle and it's inside your budget then to you it's probably worth the money. Personally I'd rather spend a little more and get a rifle that fits my requirements better.

You appear to equate worth with price and that is fair, however gun to gun there is little difference in what that style gun does. So in accuracy, usability, weight, etc., etc., not a huge difference between them.

I do side with you on pricing however......I got a kick azz deal, then paid with US dollars for another 25% off, so I obtained mine close to some ARs I have purchased in the States and I can use it here in Canada anywhere.

And yes, I would have purchased it anyway given the price of freedom in Canada.
 
You appear to equate worth with price and that is fair, however gun to gun there is little difference in what that style gun does. So in accuracy, usability, weight, etc., etc., not a huge difference between them.

I do side with you on pricing however......I got a kick azz deal, then paid with US dollars for another 25% off, so I obtained mine close to some ARs I have purchased in the States and I can use it here in Canada anywhere.

And yes, I would have purchased it anyway given the price of freedom in Canada.

I base my value of a rifle on what it's worth to me based on how it fits my requirements. The XCR fits the bill in most area's but falls short when it comes to accuracy and also caliber conversion options. While I do like the 6.8SPC I am not a fan of the 7.62x39. This is why I spent more money to get my Bushmaster ACR. I have a lot of money tied up in it now but to simply buy a used ACR and then convert it to non restricted I was into it for $2500 plus optics. Now I have 3 non restricted conversions for it and am very happy with it (two functional calibers and still trying to get some time to work on the 6.8SPC conversion). My 300BLK barrel is shooting sub moa with my 155gr handloads and my 223 barrel looks very promising considering I've only run AE 55gr black box through it and it was very close to 1 moa.
I would simply build my own caliber conversions for the XCR (if the ACR wasn't available) but they don't use a standard AR barrel extension so making your own would require sacrificing an original barrel. With my ACR I can take any AR barrel with a carbine or mid length gas system and adapt it to my rifle with very little work or have barrels made for it very easily.

This is why I stated that it's what the guy buying the rifle thinks it's worth. I can't tell someone what it's worth to them, only what it's worth to me. Obviously many people think it's worth the money since they sell a lot of them.
The best thing about the XCR is Wolverine Supplies. Without their support I don't think the rifle would still be available in Canada. The XCR had a pretty bad reputation early in it's life and if it wasn't for the incredible customer service I doubt people would have kept buying them.
 
My opinion probably doesn't mean much but when you can order a moder hunter for less than a thousand more the xcr is not worth it. I would support a Canadian company that is producing a much superior product. I know its not proven superior yet but will be shortly.
 
My opinion probably doesn't mean much but when you can order a moder hunter for less than a thousand more the xcr is not worth it. I would support a Canadian company that is producing a much superior product. I know its not proven superior yet but will be shortly.

Except the MH is not available in 223. I'd like to support a Canadian company as well but to me that's too much money for an untested and unproven rifle.
I have a couple buddies that pre-ordered though so once they get theirs and I have a chance to take them for a test drive I may may have a different attitude. For now though I just can't justify spending around $4000 for the base model rifle that won't do anything better than a $2000 AR-10 other than be non restricted. I already have a $3000 AR-10 for my 308 semi auto play time and plenty of other non restricted options for when I shoot away from the range.
If I could only have one rifle then the MH would be near the top of my list but considering the rest of my collection I can't see it filling a void that I can't fill with something I already own.
 
Modern Hunter to XCR is hardly a fair comparison.


Sure you can compare the two.



Asking are they worth the money is like asking is an Audi R8 worth the money.

Not to compare the R8 with the XCR directly but two important factors are shared between the two - what is your desired use, and what is your locale?

For my uses it would be reasonably useless as every weekend I'm heading off-road and carrying equipment, so I drive a pickup.

Once you can answer the two questions about use and location you will know whether the XCR is "worth the money" for you. There isn't a right or wrong answer, just what suits your needs.



The Modern Hunter is the Audi R8: excellent fit and finish, well thought ergonomics with the reliability of a Swiss watch and every time you depress the trigger er' I mean pedal, a big smile appears on your face as you witness it's powerful and precise performance.


While the XCR is like a pickup truck: basic in design and simple in serviceability which is handy due to the need to get under the hood occasionally if really worked hard (or not) and while capable of completing the basic of tasks it's left feeling unfulfilled as it's incapable of displaying any serious performance capabilities do to it's non-performance heritage as a basic work implement (well at least that's how I see it).



I really don't see the appeal of a XCR (besides it's Non-restricted status). Curious what the average AR loving American thinks of a RA XCR-L?



It's understandable that those who are not able to make it to a restricted range, find a Non-restricted rifle they like. It's just my thoughts then lean towards the other Non-restricted choices for the amount of money a used XCR costs.


As CR5 has stated w/o the excellent customer service of Wolverine, the XCR would most likely not even be here still.

Cheers D
 
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Modern Hunter to XCR is hardly a fair comparison.

I'll compare them ;)

Price? advantage XCR
Availability? advantage XCR
Accuracy? unknown as no one has shot a MH other than Rick and a few lucky others that were in the right place at the right time to shoot the prototype. 99.9% sure the MH will win this category though.
Warranty and customer service? Wolverine or ATRS, both decent but since ATRS is usually pretty swamped I would say advantage will go to Wolverine.
Styling? Both look good, this will be up to individual preference.
Caliber conversion capability? advantage XCR. The MH is available in a couple different calibers but it isn't a simple swap anyone can do in a few minutes and the MH is not available in 223 yet.
Ability to customize it to your personal taste? I'll call this one a draw until the MH is released and we see just how compatible it is with aftermarket parts for the AR-10 and others.
Being the coolest kid on the block for owning one? advantage MH once people actually start taking delivery of their rifles but for now none are in customers hands.

In my opinion they are both priced too high and most of that is simply the non restricted status. The XCR in my opinion should be $1800-$2000 new and the MH should be around $3000.
I think ATRS has done a great thing bringing us this rifle and I understand that there are a lot of costs involved in making a rifle like this and also a lot of headache's involved with dealing with the CFO to get it classified as non restricted but to me the price is too high. I've been told they aren't making much money on them but I call BS, I have an AR-10 build that was done with all high end parts and it cost around $3000 to put together using billet upper and lower and high end trigger, barrel and furniture. Seems to me like they want to recoup their costs in the first batch and then I hear the second batch and future rifles are going to be more expensive.

Just my opinion ymmv
 
How can you compare to a rifle that isn't even out in the field yet? The only way one could possibly know, what is the best NR black rifle , for themselves, is to try all of them .
 
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How can you compare to a rifle that isn't even out in the field yet? The only way one could possibly know, what is the best NR black rifle , for themselves, is to try all of them .

I've tried almost all of them :) Who's got a NR PS90 for me to try?

That's why I did the comparison the way I did, I am getting tired of all the guys saying we should buy a MH just because it's made by ATRS. It isn't even available and no one has held one yet guys are going on and on like it's the greatest rifle ever made.
 
I really don't see the appeal of a XCR (besides it's Non-restricted status). Curious what the average AR loving American thinks of a RA

Check out their views on the xcr forums, xcr vrs ar debates come up often. Each has their good and bad. For me the choice was easy. I wanted a NR black rifle. I shoot in the bush and dont want to be limited to a range. The xcr had everything i was looking for and while it is a high price to pay for that luxury its well worth it. All the people that hate on the XCR usually own an AR and are jealous of our freedom LOL.
 
Check out their views on the xcr forums, xcr vrs ar debates come up often. Each has their good and bad. For me the choice was easy. I wanted a NR black rifle. I shoot in the bush and dont want to be limited to a range. The xcr had everything i was looking for and while it is a high price to pay for that luxury its well worth it. All the people that hate on the XCR usually own an AR and are jealous of our freedom LOL.

I don't hate the XCR, I just think they could be better and that for a similar amount of money there are better options.
I own AR's and a non restricted ACR. I would have bought the XCR except accuracy is important to me and most XCR's don't even come close to what an AR or the ACR is capable of.

If someone owns an XCR and they are happy with it then I'm happy for them, it's just not for me that's all.
 
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