XCR fun in the water 8)

P90Puma said:
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Good luck with that.
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Whats wrong with looking for reliability tests? If you think nobody does these tests, you're the one that should :jerkit: Robinson is a firearms designer and manufacturer. If you think they haven't done these tests, I'd say you are naive.

For example, 2 seconds on youtube and I found this. Its only 400 rounds through a vz-58 but I think it demonstrates the spirit of the test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSLV9rd53vw

And thanks Terra, I really look forward to seeing the test if / when you can film one.
 
jcoulson64 said:
Whats wrong with looking for reliability tests? If you think nobody does these tests, you're the one that should :jerkit: Robinson is a firearms designer and manufacturer. If you think they haven't done these tests, I'd say you are naive.

For example, 2 seconds on youtube and I found this. Its only 400 rounds through a vz-58 but I think it demonstrates the spirit of the test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSLV9rd53vw

And thanks Terra, I really look forward to seeing the test if / when you can film one.
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Problem with the vZ - Someone with an XCR is going to shoot you while you do that slow mag change. Also, we shot 2000 rounds of Brown Bear 5.56 through a single XCR in one hour. It took 5 people to keep magazines loaded. That's lacquer coated steel cases.
 
Thanks Kolob; being chrome lined is a bonus but Wolverine did state specifically that they are not chrome lined. Not sure how to post a quote but I can copy and paste.

Lets keep the general questions here please.

We must have the original signed DSP83, not scanned or faxed.

The $25 service fee can be cheque, CC, EMT or MO not (FRAUD ALERT).

We have .223 conversion kits in stock that will work with the 7.62 x 39 rifles, they are $687.40.

Prices: Due to the fluctuating dollar we have priced each shipment as we paid for it. The XCR .223 rifle and the XCR .223 conversion kits are priced cheaper to us than the 6.8 and 7.62 rifles and conversion kits. We are endeavoring to carry inventory and this may lead to some differences through out the year.

The 7.62 x 39 barrels are not chrome lined.

Barrel length will be 18.6 inches for all calibers. We are not importing 16 inch barrels, they would make the rifles restricted and lead to confusion with the CFC as they can not register a firearm in two classes at the same time and a 16 inch barrel would move her into the restricted class. The US will not approve the export of rifles with barrels shorter than 16 inches.

While on the topic of barrel lengths we are looking at the XCR pistol. More news on this as it becomes available. We will only market this as a complete unit there will not be a pistol top end to fit to a rifle.
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misanthropist said:
Interesting...I have never done anything like this with a gun so I don't know how other platforms would fare.

Anybody done this with a C7/8 or 551?
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hahahahaa! You're kidding right?

C7 or C8 would jam the moment you shoot! Didn't you learn this at BMQ? "Never submerge the weapon"
The gas system would not be able to push back the bolt *noted that this is the standard Mil-Spec C7 with no piston enhancement.
 
C9-Gunner said:
hahahahaa! You're kidding right?

C7 or C8 would jam the moment you shoot! Didn't you learn this at BMQ? "Never submerge the weapon"
The gas system would not be able to push back the bolt *noted that this is the standard Mil-Spec C7 with no piston enhancement.
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No, I didn't learn that at BMQ! Although I think if I had gone to BMQ I might have.




Anyway here is what I am getting at: does this video show us anything OTHER THAN the XCR is a piston gun?

I mean obviously the 416 survived it fine and it killed the AR or whatever. Should we be impressed with the XCR passing this test as well or could you do it with any piston gun and get the same results? I get that a DI gun will explode. But we know the XCR is not a DI gun. Does this test show us anything that is not a fundamental property of piston guns?

I mean if somebody made an igloo and posted a video of themselves parking an excavator on top, obviously they've made a special igloo.

If they post a video where they've made an igloo and keep beer in it, and then pull the beer out and say, "LOOK! MY IGLOO ACTUALLY KEPT THIS BEER COLD!!!" then I am not so sure I should be impressed, except maybe with their marketing department.

I am trying to figure out if I should be impressed with this video or not.
 
C9-Gunner said:
hahahahaa! You're kidding right?

C7 or C8 would jam the moment you shoot! Didn't you learn this at BMQ? "Never submerge the weapon"
The gas system would not be able to push back the bolt *noted that this is the standard Mil-Spec C7 with no piston enhancement.
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There is more than a little :bsFlag: spread around on BMQ (not at - at is for a place, on is for an event or happening), I sure hope that you don't blindly accept everything you've been told just because some inarticulate (I'm generalizing here folks) MF in a uniform tells you that it's so. Life will be hard for you if that's the case...


Just sayin'

blake
 
misanthropist said:
No, I didn't learn that at BMQ! Although I think if I had gone to BMQ I might have.




Anyway here is what I am getting at: does this video show us anything OTHER THAN the XCR is a piston gun?

I mean obviously the 416 survived it fine and it killed the AR or whatever. Should we be impressed with the XCR passing this test as well or could you do it with any piston gun and get the same results? I get that a DI gun will explode. But we know the XCR is not a DI gun. Does this test show us anything that is not a fundamental property of piston guns?

I mean if somebody made an igloo and posted a video of themselves parking an excavator on top, obviously they've made a special igloo.

If they post a video where they've made an igloo and keep beer in it, and then pull the beer out and say, "LOOK! MY IGLOO ACTUALLY KEPT THIS BEER COLD!!!" then I am not so sure I should be impressed, except maybe with their marketing department.

I am trying to figure out if I should be impressed with this video or not.
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Get a video recorder, some guns, and a body of water and you tell us if the ability to fire without drain time is special or not.

I recommend wearing a face shield and having a first aid kit nearby.

LWRC and HK modified their guns to ensure they didn't explode. The XCR was not modified. The gun in the vid is the gun you can buy right now.
 
I would appear the XCR doesn't need to be modified for little drain time due to the loose fitment of parts. In some of the cases where water was still present it seams the higher gas setting blew the water 'through the cracks' as it were - vapourizing it. In this instance it gives the rifle an advantage over tighter fiting designs.

It's logical to assume that if the gas system was tightened up it would blow like any other system with similar tolerance.
 
like the vid but I would have been scared of doing damage to the barrel don't know if you guys noticeds that when he shot before letting the water run out of the barrel that there was a diffrence in report and the expelling of the water from the barrel. Even with the the presure being partially let out of the ejection port ther still shiould be enough pressure to damaged the barrel.
 
I'm curious as to where or how you think the barrel would be damaged? I'm sure it's not the healthiest environment for your rifle but I believe if the rifle were to fail in this condition it would have been at the breech or possibly the muzzle (but doubtful). It clearly did not in this test. Naturally the report was different on the first shot due to water in the barrel creating a higher pressure, but the test showed in this case, that it could handle it. Are you thinking of a bulge in the barrel?
Would it be possible to post a vid or pics of the chamber & bolt lock up to show no damage after this test?
I don't think most of us will be running are own rifles through this test (at least I won't), but now I can see some extreme hunters popping out of the swamp/pond instead of using a traditional blind or tree stand.:p
Nice to see a video showing the durability of the rifle though. Even if mine will probably be used in a more conventional civilian manner. ie. the range or hunting...
 
Some guns can fire submerged (e.g., Walther P99) or full of water (apparently an XCR). Some don't have enough safety factor in the barrel and locking mechanisms (and other parts of the operating system) and will blow (e.g., 1911) due to the massive increase in pressure. I don't know of a comprehensive list. Great if you plan on hiding in a bathtub while the zombies approach, or escaping killer bees by jumping in a pond and then leaping out to nail the trailing zombies, otherwise only of use to gunfighters.
 
I do see that it could be handy if you are sitting out there in those miserable rainy days that go on forever, and every hole around had turned into a mini-lake.
 
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