XCR in 300 blackout

What's the allure of .300 blk anyway? It's out performed by 7.62x39 at a fraction of the price and we have no suppressors to make the most of the sub sonic loads.
 
Caleb314 said:
What's the allure of .300 blk anyway? It's out performed by 7.62x39 at a fraction of the price and we have no suppressors to make the most of the sub sonic loads.
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It's very similar performance with 110gr loads in the velocity and trajectory departments but 300BLK can be loaded with quality projectiles any weight you want up to 220gr which in my opinion makes it outperform the x39 in all the areas that actually matter for field use.
I can reload 300blk for the same price as your crap corrosive surplus that ruins expensive rifles.
Not being able to use a suppressor isn't a problem, subsonic are still quieter than supersonic and the heavy rounds hit the gongs harder which is cool to watch and hear.
X39 is a round for cheap red rifles not black rifles. It also feeds like crap from AR mags (anything over 7-10 rounds), and you have no options other than FMJ, or soft point 124gr.
Brass for 300BLK is pretty much free since it is made from a 223 case so it's plentiful and easy to create.
300BLK also makes an excellent short range deer round with numerous bullet options.

No Fireball, it's not a fanboy cartridge, it is an excellent cartridge that does everything the x39 does and more and feeds properly from an AR magazine.
 
cr5 said:
It's very similar performance with 110gr loads in the velocity and trajectory departments but 300BLK can be loaded with quality projectiles any weight you want up to 220gr which in my opinion makes it outperform the x39 in all the areas that actually matter for field use.
I can reload 300blk for the same price as your crap corrosive surplus that ruins expensive rifles.
Not being able to use a suppressor isn't a problem, subsonic are still quieter than supersonic and the heavy rounds hit the gongs harder which is cool to watch and hear.
X39 is a round for cheap red rifles not black rifles. It also feeds like crap from AR mags (anything over 7-10 rounds), and you have no options other than FMJ, or soft point 124gr.
Brass for 300BLK is pretty much free since it is made from a 223 case so it's plentiful and easy to create.
300BLK also makes an excellent short range deer round with numerous bullet options.

No Fireball, it's not a fanboy cartridge, it is an excellent cartridge that does everything the x39 does and more and feeds properly from an AR magazine.
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Its a fanboy calibre. Shot placement trumps all and you can reload 7.62x39 if you so desire. Corrosive does nothing to a quality rifle, its called cleaning it

I guess for the guys who shoot less than a thousand rounds a year and reload the 300 is viable. For those who shoot close to a thousand rounds a weekend it offers nothing over 39. ballistically they're nearly identical, but I guess he millions of people and game killed with 39 were all lucky kills right?

Not sure why I'm wasting my time with this. The xcr is a garbage heap in itself so it doesn't surprise me that the pro xcr crowd are beating the 300 drum as well.

Tdc
 
I can reload 300blk for the same price as your crap corrosive surplus that ruins expensive rifles.
X39 is a round for cheap red rifles not black rifles. It also feeds like crap from AR mags (anything over 7-10 rounds), and you have no options other than FMJ, or soft point 124gr.
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Firstly, how does shooting corrosive ammo ruin expensive rifles?? It seems to work fine in cheap SKS's without ruining them, you'd figure a more exspensive rifle would hold up just fine if a 190$ sks can. The problem with cheap corrosive ammo is the owner not cleaning his rifle after shooting. Don't blame the gun(ammo in this case) blame the lazy SOB that doesnt clean his ####.
Moreover, x39 feeds just fine using XCR pistol mags in an XCR, yes 10 rounds at a time, 100 percent reliable in the x39 XCR i owned, I had more feeding issues in my 556 XCR to be honest.

But back on topic, any new part,gun, ammo, accessory on the market is a good thing for shooters, but I wouldn't start bringing up baseless excuses to justify my fanboy love of a certain product...objectivity people, dont drink the koolaid fanboys serve you!!!
 
In my mind, a benefit of 300BLK versus 7.62x39 is that the 300 has a more efficient case size, and requires a shorter barrel length for roughly the same performance.

Plus, I have a lot more .223 brass lying around that's not quite suitable for reloading that I can resize to 300BLK, plus I can use the same mags and bolt faces. Plus it uses .308" bullet which has a lot more current production capacity and options.
 
.300 BLK in a semi up here (CDA) is a bit of a joke i'm afraid.
it shines in a 12" barrel or so, esp when suppressed.

give me a xcr micro w/ a can in .300 blk and i'll shoot it all day, everyday.

sadly, up here, in a xcr with an 18.5 barrel, and no cans (for us lowly folk) I don't see a huge advantage for us, the only being the low volume of pistol powder required to reload. probably going to be offset by the cost of the barrel though... buy a x39 or 6.8 barrel for your xcr and bang away.

don't get me wrong, i like the .300 blk, have a 12" barrel for a savage that i want to build up, and with a 110 gr it should make a handy little truck gun, but it's purpose up here i sometimes lost.
 
For today's Canada, it's best in a manually operated rifle with about a 13" barrel and a 10 shot magazine. Essentially a miniature scout rifle.
 
TDC said:
Its a fanboy calibre. Shot placement trumps all and you can reload 7.62x39 if you so desire. Corrosive does nothing to a quality rifle, its called cleaning it

I guess for the guys who shoot less than a thousand rounds a year and reload the 300 is viable. For those who shoot close to a thousand rounds a weekend it offers nothing over 39. ballistically they're nearly identical, but I guess he millions of people and game killed with 39 were all lucky kills right?

Not sure why I'm wasting my time with this. The xcr is a garbage heap in itself so it doesn't surprise me that the pro xcr crowd are beating the 300 drum as well.

Tdc
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Ya but who wants to spend an hour cleaning their rifle as soon as they get home? Sometimes I don't have a chance to clean my rifles for a couple days after a day of shooting and I've seen first hand what corrosive ammo does to a neglected SKS. It took me about 3 hours to get my friends SKS working again after he let it sit dirty for a couple weeks.

You forget that some people have more than one rifle, I have three 223's and my third 300BLK barrel is being built. If I could only have one rifle I would have a 223 because it's got better ballistics so I'm more likely to make the hit where I'm aiming. The 300BLK is actually capable of some pretty impressive groups. My 9.75 inch PWS can print very close to 1moa at 100yds with my 110gr handloads. I'd like to see a semi auto in x39 do that.

I never said x39 couldn't kill a deer only that you don't have many bullet options where the 300BLK can use any bullet made in .308 which makes it far more versatile and allows you to use much higher quality projectiles when you're doing things besides just making noise.

Not sure I would go so far as to say the XCR is garbage, they have had some issues with QC but at least Wolverine has been standing behind them and making sure anyone who has problems with their's is taken care of. I'm not a huge fan of the XCR but they aren't that bad. I prefer my ACR.
 
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Can't argue with physics, 300 BLK will only work in short piston length system like the Mini and Micro,The long length piston in the rifle with not have enough gas pressure to run it properly.
 
hbean said:
Can't argue with physics, 300 BLK will only work in short piston length system like the Mini and Micro,The long length piston in the rifle with not have enough gas pressure to run it properly.
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So how much 300BLK have you put down range? Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
While the pistol length system is optimal it can be made to work with longer gas systems.
My non restricted 300BLK ACR with carbine length gas system cycles supersonic and subsonic. If I can get it to work I'm pretty sure a manufacturer can do the same.

What was that you were saying about physics?
 
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cr5 said:
Ya but who wants to spend an hour cleaning their rifle as soon as they get home? Sometimes I don't have a chance to clean my rifles for a couple days after a day of shooting and I've seen first hand what corrosive ammo does to a neglected SKS. It took me about 3 hours to get my friends SKS working again after he let it sit dirty for a couple weeks.

It doesn't take an hour to clean your rifle, if it does you're doing it wrong. The corrosion you see is surface rust and has zero effect on the firearm, however you need to make time to clean your firearm after use or take the risk of leaving it for a while.

You forget that some people have more than one rifle, I have three 223's and my third 300BLK barrel is being built. If I could only have one rifle I would have a 223 because it's got better ballistics so I'm more likely to make the hit where I'm aiming. The 300BLK is actually capable of some pretty impressive groups. My 9.75 inch PWS can print very close to 1moa at 100yds with my 110gr handloads. I'd like to see a semi auto in x39 do that.

Barrel length has little to do with accuracy, velocity is the key but I'm sure you knew that already. What kind of accuracy do you need? A semi auto and an XCR at that are far from ideal choices for a precision rig. Seeing as how the 300 and the 39 cartridges are best suited for 200 yards or less for lethal work and 350 and less for precision, you're wasting your time chasing precision. As an example I took a gopher at a measured 400 yards with a savage scout in 7.62x39 running czech surplus with a 4x Accupoint. The useable accuracy is there with surplus ammo, the shot to shot consistency isn't at the level of handloads or match ammo, but its more than doable. That same day I shot a 500ml milk bottle at 400 yards with a buddies Nagant and surplus ammo. That same buddy took a deer last year at a measured 776 yards with the same rifle.

I never said x39 couldn't kill a deer only that you don't have many bullet options where the 300BLK can use any bullet made in .308 which makes it far more versatile and allows you to use much higher quality projectiles when you're doing things besides just making noise.

I agree that 300 offers more selection as far as projectiles, but that's only a plus if you reload which takes a lot of time and money to do. You don't need special projectiles to make a kill or hit the target.

Not sure I would go so far as to say the XCR is garbage, they have had some issues with QC but at least Wolverine has been standing behind them and making sure anyone who has problems with their's is taken care of. I'm not a huge fan of the XCR but they aren't that bad. I prefer my ACR.

Vendors stand behind their products because its bad for business not to. The fact remains that XCR's have issues out of the box which means they're lemons. When I buy a product I expect it work as advertised out of the box and without loctite or parts replacement. For $2400-2600 dollars I would assume its a quality piece that works..... Guess not.
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In the bold.

TDC
 
You two should start a TV show. There's so much bs flying, we'll call it, "The News". (less a comment about content, more about delivery) If it takes off, you might afford some new elevator shoes.

Or you could go out and shoot. More round count, less post count.

Do you think anyone expects surplus ammo to deliver, as precision.
 
TDC said:
Its a fanboy calibre. Shot placement trumps all and you can reload 7.62x39 if you so desire. Corrosive does nothing to a quality rifle, its called cleaning it

I guess for the guys who shoot less than a thousand rounds a year and reload the 300 is viable. For those who shoot close to a thousand rounds a weekend it offers nothing over 39. ballistically they're nearly identical, but I guess he millions of people and game killed with 39 were all lucky kills right?

Not sure why I'm wasting my time with this. The xcr is a garbage heap in itself so it doesn't surprise me that the pro xcr crowd are beating the 300 drum as well.

Tdc
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Aw jeez. Tell me you're troling, TDR? I just bought an XCR (an acquaintance lent me his and it shot like dynamite). We will see I guess...

I saw my first .300 blackout on the range the other day and dunno what to make of it myself. I think the deal with it is you can still use regular AR mags...right? I too would probably go 7.62x39 if I were to go that way at all - preferably in boxer primed clean brass cases for reloading. I am far more interested in the 6.8 SPC. I have heard most of the gun wanks come out in favour of it but haven't had the opportunity to research it myself.
 
The allure of of .330 AAC Blackout / .300 Whisper / .300-221 is that with this rifle, all you need to do is a barrel swap (from .223) and you're ready to go!

Same bolt and mags as the .223 model.

As a side note, I have learned that the Robarms .223 barrels are actually chambered in .223 Wylde making them suitable for both .223 Rem and 5.56 NATO ammo.

I have 1,000 300 BLK cases ready to load, now, all I need is the barrel !
 
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