What model did you have? Honestly, the noodle barrel and mlok/keymod make the 18.5 inch XCR a completely different rifle.
That being said you can't go wrong with the MS.
XCR-l or BCL badger or Mac SLR???
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What model did you have? Honestly, the noodle barrel and mlok/keymod make the 18.5 inch XCR a completely different rifle.
That being said you can't go wrong with the MS.
1-XCR: cool gun, works properly. Some people think its heavy
2-SLR: fits most AR15 parts on it so huge bonus here
BCL Badger isnt for sale yet and... Its BCL so I'd wait until they get all the small details right and price have dropped. BCL102 presold at 1799$ and they are clearing them off at 1225$ now... All proprietary parts: BCG, handguard and what else ?
2-SLR: fits most AR15 parts on it so huge bonus here
BCL Badger isnt for sale yet and... Its BCL so I'd wait until they get all the small details right and price have dropped. BCL102 presold at 1799$ and they are clearing them off at 1225$ now... All proprietary parts: BCG, handguard and what else ?
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If one were to preorder a MS today, what’s the estimated delivery time at this point? Mid or late 2019?
Quite likely after Trudeau’s backroom gun registry is in action, if that has any bearing on anything.
You may get lucky and find an early receiver set on the EE for a very generous premium, but you can buy an XCR today if you want. SLR receiver sets seem to pop up now and again through vendors here, and fairly regularly on the EE.
Quite likely after Trudeau’s backroom gun registry is in action, if that has any bearing on anything.
You may get lucky and find an early receiver set on the EE for a very generous premium, but you can buy an XCR today if you want. SLR receiver sets seem to pop up now and again through vendors here, and fairly regularly on the EE.
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The ejection port on our Sporter is enlarged to allow for the 50 Beowulf , so yes you 450 and 458 will work, assuming you employ the correct mag,bolt head and barrel.
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July or August for an upper and lower if ordered soon.
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I'll tell you what I have now learned the hard way.
Get the xcrl.
Because its buit in the USA not canada. Its properly developed and designed and a standardized product that's known and proven to work.
I wish I never sold mine and just tracked down a pencil barrel.
Steer clear of the heavy barrels. Zero accuracy gains whatsoever and stupid front heavy.
They are simple, beefy, reliable, very well made rifles and I highly recommend them. They are a little pricey but it will go bang every single time and work with any mags and feed any ammo.
Plus easy adjustable gas system and caliber conversions.
Get the xcrl.
Because its buit in the USA not canada. Its properly developed and designed and a standardized product that's known and proven to work.
I wish I never sold mine and just tracked down a pencil barrel.
Steer clear of the heavy barrels. Zero accuracy gains whatsoever and stupid front heavy.
They are simple, beefy, reliable, very well made rifles and I highly recommend them. They are a little pricey but it will go bang every single time and work with any mags and feed any ammo.
Plus easy adjustable gas system and caliber conversions.
This here ranks right up in the top 10 of dumb posts.
The XCR was well known when it first came out as being unreliable and plagued with issues, to the point Alex got real cranky with all of the flak sent his way.
The later iterations were greatly improved it seems, but just being US made does NOT mean it is any good.
Well, let me first say I am not interested in any border wars, AND I have a BCL 102 (Canada) XCR-L (US) and Tavor 21 (Isreal)
The Tavor 21 is the proven battle rifle and with a Geissele Super Sabra Lightning Bow trigger is a rock star NR Bullpup that will shoot anything and all day long.
The XCR-L is an older model, heavy barrel with rails, (type 2 bolt catch, type 2 mag release, type 1 rear receiver). In short is not a light rifle.
Shoots well, but does like full synthetic oil when it gets hot. Otherwise, it can act up a bit. Newer various are even better and lighter.
The newest rifle is a Gen Two BCL 102. Picked it up this spring. Had some FF and Stove Pipe issues when first new. Hirtenberger is all I shoot.
I got the local gunsmith (Murray Charlton Enterprises) to install a PA M4-72 Tactical Compensator. Murray and Tim had a good look at the BCL.
It is well built and to very tight tolerances. Little too tight, as for mine, it took somewhere between 100 and 200 rounds to break it in.
Again I use full synthetic oil and keep the BCG wet, as recommended by other owners, and it shoots well.
Today I was up at the Victoria Fish and Game Association, shot all three and let some other members shoot the 102 (bottom pic).
All three are different; all shoot well. In an urban gunfight, the Tavor is proven, and it's a great rifle. Fast to acquire targets and quick to point.
The XCR-L is also a great shooter, although this version is a little heavy to pack around. The XCR general rule is if hunting gets the light barrel, and if a range queen, pick up the heavy barrel is it will shoot a lot of rounds more accurately (when hot). Or get both and if new 223 Wylde and perhaps a used 7.62x39 barrel, BCG, gas tube, and mags. Barrel, BCG and Gas tube swaps are very quick in an XCR.
The BCL is the heaviest of the bunch but also has a big upgrade in punch. I shoot paper and steel targets with surplus 5.56 in the 21 and XCR. The 308 WIN (7.62x51) 146gr FMJ have a noticeable increase in impact when they hit steel.
The owners of the earlier BCLs reported issues, and some continue to do so today. Ryan (SFRC) reports these are being addressed. Extractors and BCGs have some issues and where replaced.
Like the 102, and any new rifles, the Badger (and Modern Sporter) and likely to have teething issues. Both BCL and ATRS, are stand up companies and will address any issues and make improvements along the production run. My wife is Kiwi. Google "Lewis Machine and Tool New Zealand rifle problems."
New rifles can have issues. Solid companies can all experience outsourcing challenges.
If you are looking for your first NR "Tactical Rifle" I would suggest you find something that is mature and proven. Or at least something that all the issues are well known and easy to address. i.e. the stock trigger in the Tavor 21 sucks.
The Tavor 21 is the proven battle rifle and with a Geissele Super Sabra Lightning Bow trigger is a rock star NR Bullpup that will shoot anything and all day long.
The XCR-L is an older model, heavy barrel with rails, (type 2 bolt catch, type 2 mag release, type 1 rear receiver). In short is not a light rifle.
Shoots well, but does like full synthetic oil when it gets hot. Otherwise, it can act up a bit. Newer various are even better and lighter.
The newest rifle is a Gen Two BCL 102. Picked it up this spring. Had some FF and Stove Pipe issues when first new. Hirtenberger is all I shoot.
I got the local gunsmith (Murray Charlton Enterprises) to install a PA M4-72 Tactical Compensator. Murray and Tim had a good look at the BCL.
It is well built and to very tight tolerances. Little too tight, as for mine, it took somewhere between 100 and 200 rounds to break it in.
Again I use full synthetic oil and keep the BCG wet, as recommended by other owners, and it shoots well.
Today I was up at the Victoria Fish and Game Association, shot all three and let some other members shoot the 102 (bottom pic).
All three are different; all shoot well. In an urban gunfight, the Tavor is proven, and it's a great rifle. Fast to acquire targets and quick to point.
The XCR-L is also a great shooter, although this version is a little heavy to pack around. The XCR general rule is if hunting gets the light barrel, and if a range queen, pick up the heavy barrel is it will shoot a lot of rounds more accurately (when hot). Or get both and if new 223 Wylde and perhaps a used 7.62x39 barrel, BCG, gas tube, and mags. Barrel, BCG and Gas tube swaps are very quick in an XCR.
The BCL is the heaviest of the bunch but also has a big upgrade in punch. I shoot paper and steel targets with surplus 5.56 in the 21 and XCR. The 308 WIN (7.62x51) 146gr FMJ have a noticeable increase in impact when they hit steel.
The owners of the earlier BCLs reported issues, and some continue to do so today. Ryan (SFRC) reports these are being addressed. Extractors and BCGs have some issues and where replaced.
Like the 102, and any new rifles, the Badger (and Modern Sporter) and likely to have teething issues. Both BCL and ATRS, are stand up companies and will address any issues and make improvements along the production run. My wife is Kiwi. Google "Lewis Machine and Tool New Zealand rifle problems."
New rifles can have issues. Solid companies can all experience outsourcing challenges.
If you are looking for your first NR "Tactical Rifle" I would suggest you find something that is mature and proven. Or at least something that all the issues are well known and easy to address. i.e. the stock trigger in the Tavor 21 sucks.
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So it's a dumb post because the first rifles had problems over a decade ago but you agree with everything else? Was that from assumption or have you actually ever owned and fired hundreds of rounds through one?
I'm saying it's made in the us for the us market. They tend to develop their products a little more tight compared to some of the recent gong shows I've seen pumped out up north lately. So yeah it's a relevant point when comparing yet another prototype Canadian product to one that's been developed over time to compete in the US market vice our sad, desperate consumer base up here.
The current xcr rifles are outstanding guns. I'm not sure what part of that you think makes it a dumb post since you agreed with me? Or?
Of the rifles listed I would stick with your XCR.
Never give BCL a dime, they are circling the bowl. They can't build anything right so they're just jumping from one rifle to the next trying to keep people excited with the latest greatest thing with a fancy new name. 102 was preordered 3 orders in advance till there was another player in town (Stag 10) and now they're discounted with no preorder because no one wants a 102.
The Badger is just their next attempt to try to be new and fresh, hoping to catch some new suckers.
They never did get their issues worked out with the 102 but that's not stopping them from changing gears and trying something new.
Ya, ya.. I know some guys actually got a rifle that works, come back after 2000 rounds and tell us all about it.
I'm not a fan of MDI, they are too inexperienced and try to blame others for the problems with their product. The anodizing created out of spec products? Well they should have known enough to account for that and regardless, they are responsible for every item that has their name on it. Not the company they outsourced the anodizing to.
Sounds like the newer stuff is better but they lost any chance to see my money.
I would add the ATRS MS receiver set to your list. I've owned numerous ATRS products over the years and I've never been disappointed.
Never give BCL a dime, they are circling the bowl. They can't build anything right so they're just jumping from one rifle to the next trying to keep people excited with the latest greatest thing with a fancy new name. 102 was preordered 3 orders in advance till there was another player in town (Stag 10) and now they're discounted with no preorder because no one wants a 102.
The Badger is just their next attempt to try to be new and fresh, hoping to catch some new suckers.
They never did get their issues worked out with the 102 but that's not stopping them from changing gears and trying something new.
Ya, ya.. I know some guys actually got a rifle that works, come back after 2000 rounds and tell us all about it.
I'm not a fan of MDI, they are too inexperienced and try to blame others for the problems with their product. The anodizing created out of spec products? Well they should have known enough to account for that and regardless, they are responsible for every item that has their name on it. Not the company they outsourced the anodizing to.
Sounds like the newer stuff is better but they lost any chance to see my money.
I would add the ATRS MS receiver set to your list. I've owned numerous ATRS products over the years and I've never been disappointed.
