XCR-M Accuracy
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I was shooting one yesterday. Could ring the gongs at 200 and 300 yards no problem but when shooting paper at 200 it was making 4"-6" groups. This was just with cheap norinco and mfs ammo though, it will probably do much better with good ammo or reloads.
No chrony numbers but I would guess it is like every other 308 and in the 2550-2700fps range depending on what you are feeding it.
Your Swiss will destroy the xcr in the accuracy department. Don't expect sub moa out of this one.
No chrony numbers but I would guess it is like every other 308 and in the 2550-2700fps range depending on what you are feeding it.
Your Swiss will destroy the xcr in the accuracy department. Don't expect sub moa out of this one.
Ar180shooter
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What are you hunting and where (both province and the type of terrain). I'm in Ontario and last fall I finished off a deer one of my hunting partners shot using my Swiss Arms. The shot was at about 20 yards or so, we hunt in heavy bush, so you don't typically get shots over 50 yards. Using a 60gr Nosler partition the bullet went clean through the heart and out the other side. If your province allows .223 for deer, using the right loads, the Swiss is quite capable at reasonable distances.
Looks pretty moa to me. federal gold medal match. 30x scope. 100m. five holes. 2min wait between shots. My experience is fast strings open things up even with the good ammo.
Going to get awfully expensive shooting $50/box ammo through a semi auto. I go through around 100 rounds per outing with my RFB and other than load development all I care about is ringing gongs. These aren't made to be precision rifles so my expectations are low. Less than 2 MOA and I'm happy.
Nice shooting but that's a lot more scope than most are going to consider on a rifle like this.
Nice to see that the rifle is capable of decent groups with good ammo if the person on the trigger can hold up their end.
I should try a box of that stuff through the RFB and see what it can do with it.
I have a Leup Mark4 3.5-10x40 on mine and a whole bunch of hand loaded ammo. I'm going to hit the range and do a full accuracy report as soon as the snow clears. Unfortunately I only have 5rnds left of FGGM and 5rnds of nosler match.
From what I've seen so far I am not happy with the accuracy but I was shooting prone from the back of my truck. We'll see what the range yields.
Might have to start playing with heavier or lighter bullets to see what that does for me. Worst case scenario I may have to look into a custom barrel.
From what I've seen so far I am not happy with the accuracy but I was shooting prone from the back of my truck. We'll see what the range yields.
Might have to start playing with heavier or lighter bullets to see what that does for me. Worst case scenario I may have to look into a custom barrel.
These are not designed to be sniper rifles or DMR so don't expect it to be and don't be disappointed when it's not. They are designed and intended to be battle rifles. If you get lucky and get one that will do 1 MOA your laughing. It's for most examples a 2 MOA rifle with most loads and if you tinker with handloads or spend a premium for top end factory you may get better results. They never claimed it to be capable of 1 MOA and considering it's design what most are seeing is very reasonable.
Have fun with it for what it is and not what it isn't, it's a non restricted semi auto 308 black rifle not a non restricted AR-10. If you want a semi auto 308 that will do sub MOA then buy the AR-10 and enjoy the bench at the range.
Besides, does it really matter if it can shoot sub MOA when you are out in the bush enjoying it's non restricted status? You don't have a shooting bench with you in your back pocket and as long as it's minute of whitetail your going home happy.
Next thing we are going to hear is people expecting that for $2500 it should be sub MOA accurate. Cost has no relation to accuracy and $2500 isn't a lot of money for a rifle like this.
Have fun with it for what it is and not what it isn't, it's a non restricted semi auto 308 black rifle not a non restricted AR-10. If you want a semi auto 308 that will do sub MOA then buy the AR-10 and enjoy the bench at the range.
Besides, does it really matter if it can shoot sub MOA when you are out in the bush enjoying it's non restricted status? You don't have a shooting bench with you in your back pocket and as long as it's minute of whitetail your going home happy.
Next thing we are going to hear is people expecting that for $2500 it should be sub MOA accurate. Cost has no relation to accuracy and $2500 isn't a lot of money for a rifle like this.
i completely agree with CR5.. for the purpose that i bought this rifle. to sling rounds down range and have a boat load of fun. or wander the hills looking for bullwinkle it is just top notch and by far my favorite gun to date. the xcr-l in 7.62x39 is a close second.. It will always be a 2-3 moa rifle with the bulk ammo i can afford. at the rate i care to shoot it 
. it has amazing ergo and low recoil and ambi controls. it is a semi auto black rifle that i can hang anything i want off it.. just love ringing the 200 gong from a standing position time and a again.. will it shoot 1moa? yes. but like i said before rock solid bench super consistent hold on the gun and letting the barrel cool between shots. and was using the match ammo to boot..btw i got close to that accuracy with the norinco ammo when i took my time again and messed with the gas setting using a eotech of all things . so it seems more a heat issue for me then ammo. but really what does it matter. for me it is a great addition and will not be leaving anytime soon..
. it has amazing ergo and low recoil and ambi controls. it is a semi auto black rifle that i can hang anything i want off it.. just love ringing the 200 gong from a standing position time and a again.. will it shoot 1moa? yes. but like i said before rock solid bench super consistent hold on the gun and letting the barrel cool between shots. and was using the match ammo to boot..btw i got close to that accuracy with the norinco ammo when i took my time again and messed with the gas setting using a eotech of all things . so it seems more a heat issue for me then ammo. but really what does it matter. for me it is a great addition and will not be leaving anytime soon..
I agree with a lot that CR5 says but not everything. I agree it's not a sniper rifle, but DMR? Yes an AR-10 will do MOA. A friend of mine likes to show his nice 3 round clover-leaf that he shot at 100 yards with his. But the guys shooting AR-10's tend to feed them premium ammo as well. Will it do it with Norinco ammo, or AE 150 gr? Is the XCR a battle rifle? You bet it is, but as has been shown, with the right ammo/optics it can do MOA. I find that it's a solid 2 MOA gun with a variety of ammo. It really seems to like the Winchester 150 gr. Power-Max, but I also know that if I want to feed it match grade ammo that it will do better. It's one of my favorite firearms, because it's an all-around rifle. It will and can do anything I ask of it, and in a non-restricted platform.
mildcustom2
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Sorry, I just grabbed the first retail price I found. I handload my 308 and most other rounds so I don't know where the best prices are anymore.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?481676-Federal-Gold-Medal-Match-Ammo-308-Win
Plus tax of course.
Found one cheaper
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/1095/federal-308-168-gr-bthp-sierra-matchking/
Getting close to Wanstalls price. But then most would have to pay tax and shipping.
Regardless, Shooting match ammo is going to get really expensive in a semi auto 308. Last time I was at the range with my RFB I dumped around 100 rounds of surplus and 50 rounds of handloads. I think my buddy and I dumped around 100 through the XCR-M that day as well. Do the math and even at $30/box that's $375 plus tax on ammo using your Federal Gold Medal price.
I agree with everyone that the XCR is a great rifle so don't get defensive, but putting a monster scope on it and shooting match ammo off the bench is like buying a VW and then spending a ton of money on it trying to get the performance of a Porsche out of it. It was designed to have the reliability of an AK and the ergo's of an AR and it has done that. It shoots well and has little felt recoil (even though I like my RFB better). Enjoy it for what it is and if you want sub MOA buy a bolt action to take with it for when you are letting the barrel cool.
I just bought a Savage model 10 .308 with 20" hbar and I get .5-.75 MOA @ 200yds from it with the flimsy plastic stock off the bench and as soon as the funds are available it will be getting a new laminate stock.
Keep it's tummy full and ring those gongs all day
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