XCR-M Micro .308 Pistol

Can I ask what mods you have done to this?
This config looks great. I'm guessing you added a folding stock, custom handgrip, foregrip, reflex and flashlight. I'd like to know which ones you chose...and if you are happy with them.
I wanna build an sbr like this but it's so hard to tell which are quality accessories and what is crap.


When these arrive, I'm in for a 9.5" Micro and a whole pile of mags, to go with my 7.62x39 "L" Micro :) Very, very cool :)

 
- FAB pistol grip (nicer than the factory AR grip)
- RobArms FAST stock (really like it, but a better option would be an ACR stock and stock adaptor, if you can find one)
- Mepro 21 from my Tavor - ok optic, but washes out in bright sunlight
- Stubby vertical foregrip I picked up years ago - I love these grips. Wish I had bought more.
- Factory BUIS
- Zahal light mount, which is very solid, with a cheapie LED Maglight. Love these lights - bright, cheap, reasonably durable, and the batteries last forever. Wouldn't be my choice if my life depended on it, though!!

I plan to do my .308 Micro up very similarly, but with a 3x optic of undetermined type.


Can I ask what mods you have done to this?
This config looks great. I'm guessing you added a folding stock, custom handgrip, foregrip, reflex and flashlight. I'd like to know which ones you chose...and if you are happy with them.
I wanna build an sbr like this but it's so hard to tell which are quality accessories and what is crap.
 
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XCR-M Mini & Micro Pistol

It has taken nearly two years but finally Rob Arms have finished the .308 XCR-M Mini pistol with 13 inch barrel and the XCR-M Micro pistol with 9.5 inch barrel.

We have placed an initial order for Micro pistols with the 9.5 inch barrel. We intend to order all of these with the new Keymod forearm.

Any updates on when the 9.5" will be available? I want one with a black FAST stock and FAB pistol grip, just like the 7.62x39 Micro I bought from you guys last year :)
 
Can the 9.5 inch barrel be purchased separately and put on the full size XCR M?

No, our policy is only to sell the XCR with restricted length barrels as complete guns. In any event you would need a complete upper half. Currently the CFC have no way of registering a firearm with more than one barrel length, let alone in more than one class at the same time.
 
With the above in mind, can one buy a non-restricted barrel and de-restrict a Micro down the road, if priorities change, or is a whole top end required to do this? I prefer the Micro look and the fact that the front end is lighter, with the shorter rails, so I'd consider a barrel swap if it's do-able :)
 
With the above in mind, can one buy a non-restricted barrel and de-restrict a Micro down the road, if priorities change, or is a whole top end required to do this? I prefer the Micro look and the fact that the front end is lighter, with the shorter rails, so I'd consider a barrel swap if it's do-able :)

I have never tried that but I see no reason why it should not work.
 
Am I wrong that once a pistol, always a pistol? I asked a gunsmith on here to make a super long barrel for a glock pistol to meet the minimum OAL so I could re-classify it as a rifle but I was told by them that it's not possible to change the classification to non-restricted. These guys do make barrels to convert prohibs to restricted but said it doesn't work for pistols to rifles. Anyone know?
 
Am I wrong that once a pistol, always a pistol? I asked a gunsmith on here to make a super long barrel for a glock pistol to meet the minimum OAL so I could re-classify it as a rifle but I was told by them that it's not possible to change the classification to non-restricted. These guys do make barrels to convert prohibs to restricted but said it doesn't work for pistols to rifles. Anyone know?

I don't have a definite answer to your question, you need to search the regulations and CC. I believe the information given to you is based on CFC policy not law.
 
Thanks John, hopefully it's bad info and there is a possibility it can be done. It would affect the XCRs as well... If I find anything out, I'll post it.
 
Just wanted to add my 2 cents. Myself and a few of my friends use our AR-10 platforms primarily from bipods. So Shorter mags are great for us. As a matter of fact since we haven't been able to get the Magpul 5/10's in Canada yet we have been chopping down 5/20's to that length. So a tne round capable mag in that length would be fantastic!
 
Am I wrong that once a pistol, always a pistol? I asked a gunsmith on here to make a super long barrel for a glock pistol to meet the minimum OAL so I could re-classify it as a rifle but I was told by them that it's not possible to change the classification to non-restricted. These guys do make barrels to convert prohibs to restricted but said it doesn't work for pistols to rifles. Anyone know?

I don't have a definite answer to your question, you need to search the regulations and CC. I believe the information given to you is based on CFC policy not law.

There are three main clauses in the criminal code that are used to define the classification of modern firearms in Canada.

Criminal Code of Canada said:
“handgun”
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“handgun” means a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands;

and;

Criminal Code of Canada said:
Non-restricted firearm: any rifle or shotgun that is neither restricted nor prohibited. Most common long guns are non-restricted, but there are exceptions.

Restricted firearm* means:

  1. a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
  2. a firearm that
    • is not a prohibited firearm,
    • has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
    • is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
  3. a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
  4. a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm in the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted.

Prohibited firearm* means:

  1. a handgun that
    • has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
    • is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
  2. a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
    • is less than 660 mm in length, or
    • is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
  3. an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
  4. any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm in the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted.

*Criminal Code definitions

There is no definition for what a Non-restricted firearm is, only what it is not.

In the case of a super long barreled Glock, or any other long barreled handgun;

Our first question: does it meet the legal definition of a handgun? It it a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands.

Undeniably yes. No question and no shadow of a doubt it is a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands.

So we know it is a handgun.

Is it restricted by definition?

Well, the first point asks if it's a handgun, which it is. However we also need to make sure it is not prohibited.

We can immediately ignore point one because the firearm does not have a barrel shorter than 105mm and (presumably) not chambered in either prohibited cartridge.
We can ignore point two because it was not a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun.
We can ignore point 3 because it is not an automatic, and we can ignore point 4 because the Restricted handgun being used is obviously not prohibited by name.

So, it's not prohibited. Phew!

So, is it restricted then?

Well have determined that it IS a handgun and IS NOT prohibited. Therefore it must be a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm.

Case closed, once a handgun, always a handgun, and handguns are always restricted or prohibited.
 
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