XCR options
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heavy barrels
In this type of rifle, heavy barrels are not for cooling, they are for stability! If you turned it to a lighter conture you would not have as accurate rifle. The weight up front also adds to the stability of the slung hold, the weight up front causes the rifle to sit more firmly in the hand when prone shooting and with the sling attached just in front of the rubber cover of the rail, it acts as a hand stop for the sitting and kneeling positions.
Scott
In this type of rifle, heavy barrels are not for cooling, they are for stability! If you turned it to a lighter conture you would not have as accurate rifle. The weight up front also adds to the stability of the slung hold, the weight up front causes the rifle to sit more firmly in the hand when prone shooting and with the sling attached just in front of the rubber cover of the rail, it acts as a hand stop for the sitting and kneeling positions.
Scott
You can fix that with the "useless" screws
Don't hold back now kid, let it all out, tell him what you really mean!
Scott
The thick barrel equals accurate barrel bit is B/S, and has been proven time and time again.
An arguement could and has been made to support that theory with sustained fire in mind, but that is generally moot with regard to this rifle.
Slinging off any barrel, regardless of it's thickness is going to change it's poi -but if I'm misinterpreting your statement to say it just assists in the steadying of hold, I'd still disagree - less weight is going to be more stable, regardless of position, slung or not.
...but I digress...this thread is titled 'XCR options'....what options are there actually out there and available, and not just talked about by all the XCR fans?
Canadian rifles don't come with the folders and I don't believe they were covered in the Canadian manual.
The random screw I refer to is the flat head machine screw in the blind hole in the back of the receiver portion of the hinge, it appears to screw in and do nothing. The only idea I had was you back the screw out to pick up any flop in the stock, but then you have a loose screw hanging around.
Also, the Rob Arm stock had no positive lock when in the folded position, just friction "lock". I didn't care for that one bit.
Heavy barrels are good for target shooting because they reduce recoil and keeps the rifle more stable... I agree with all that... The point is I like a light and handy rifle. My XCR is too heavy for its caliber: it weight more like a .308 rifle that a .223 rifle. I also like retractable stocks so I can adjust length of pull depending on clothings, etc. And I like folding stocks because it make a rifle more compact for travel. So I would really like to have an XRC lighter weigth barrel and a folding adapter that accepts a retractable stock.
Others things that could be improved, in my humble opinion, with the XCR:
-The upper receiver does not hinge far enough to allow easy cleaning of the rifle. You have to separate the upper and lower in order to clean the inside of the rifle. Improving this is easy as only a bit of grinding is necessary... But it should be machined that way out of the factory!
-The front takedown pin is held in place with a clip which is almost impossible to remove without pointy tool and is very easilly lost once removed. A captive pin system should be designed. (like on the M16) That is a realy annoying bit of design as the front pin MUST be removed in order to clean the rifle!
-The big hex key nut that hold the barrel assembly in place is a big too angular to my liking. My hand constantly snags on it. I thing it could be made with a rounder or lower profile. That's small thing....
Mind you, my XCR is an older model so maybe these things have been improved already!
Others things that could be improved, in my humble opinion, with the XCR:
-The upper receiver does not hinge far enough to allow easy cleaning of the rifle. You have to separate the upper and lower in order to clean the inside of the rifle. Improving this is easy as only a bit of grinding is necessary... But it should be machined that way out of the factory!
-The front takedown pin is held in place with a clip which is almost impossible to remove without pointy tool and is very easilly lost once removed. A captive pin system should be designed. (like on the M16) That is a realy annoying bit of design as the front pin MUST be removed in order to clean the rifle!
-The big hex key nut that hold the barrel assembly in place is a big too angular to my liking. My hand constantly snags on it. I thing it could be made with a rounder or lower profile. That's small thing....
Mind you, my XCR is an older model so maybe these things have been improved already!
Canadian rifles don't come with the folders and I don't believe they were covered in the Canadian manual.
The random screw I refer to is the flat head machine screw in the blind hole in the back of the receiver portion of the hinge, it appears to screw in and do nothing. The only idea I had was you back the screw out to pick up any flop in the stock, but then you have a loose screw hanging around.
Also, the Rob Arm stock had no positive lock when in the folded position, just friction "lock". I didn't care for that one bit.
That useless screw you refer to is the gap adjust screw, and yes, it's there to adjust the stock until there is no wiggle. It has a purpose. And you don't have to back it out much to eliminate wiggle.
As for the friction lock - it works fine. The new stock we are developing actually DOES lock.
Thanks again for crapping on the ideas of a damn fine engineer.
The thick barrel equals accurate barrel bit is B/S, and has been proven time and time again.
An arguement could and has been made to support that theory with sustained fire in mind, but that is generally moot with regard to this rifle.
Slinging off any barrel, regardless of it's thickness is going to change it's poi -but if I'm misinterpreting your statement to say it just assists in the steadying of hold, I'd still disagree - less weight is going to be more stable, regardless of position, slung or not.
...but I digress...this thread is titled 'XCR options'....what options are there actually out there and available, and not just talked about by all the XCR fans?
I was speaking specifically of the XCR as the sling is attached to the rails not the free floated barrel. Correct and consistant sling tension does not shift the poi if you zero with the sling and use the same sling tension when you shoot. Physics comes into play here, "An object in motion...." A heavy barreled rifle is more stable because of physics, it will stay in position easier than a light barrel, otherwise all those "Target" shooters have been just plain wrong all these years!
Scott
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Read "The Accurate Rifle" by Warren Page. While not discussing black rifles (I'm not sure there were any black rifles when he wrote the book) there is a lot of good and still relevant technical information in there. A heavier barrel will be stiffer than a lighter barrel given equal barrel lengths A stiffer barrel will, given equal quality of manufacture, give better accuracy than one that is less stiff.
We need a smilie-face hitting a tennis ball over a net to make these back and forth discussions more fun!
you two lovers can quarrel later.
I have an XCR, and i like it. I do have the folder version and I do like it. But I do have to agree there is no way to lock that bolt short of using lock tight. Not a crappy design or anything just not ideal. Course the magpul CTR's have a crap load of slop in them too, nobody is expecting a match rifle with match rifle specs. It's a great rifle and it has some flaws.... somewhat sloppy upper and lower fit with no way to tighten it up without using tape. a few sharp edges that could have been rounded on the back end of the stock. Non-ambi controls.
but other then that (to stay true to the thread) everything you can bolt onto a m4/m16/ar you can bolt onto this.
Plus the S feature with a surpress works well I've heard.
cheers.
The real point I'm trying to make is a tube stock is a tube stock. As tube stocks go, there isn't anything wrong with ours. It's certainly not "sh**ty". It was built to stand up to abuse, not to make eyes fill with tears at its beauteous wonder.
The last shipment of XCRs, as well as all future orders, are going to be shipping with the new enhanced triggers and the new style safeties... which should all be ambidextrous. Once the new stock is finished and in production, they will be shipping with those as well. We may not be able to do folding - it's too soon to tell what the state department will say - but worst case scenario is they don't fold, but you still get the adjustable cheek riser and 5 adjustable positions.
The last shipment of XCRs, as well as all future orders, are going to be shipping with the new enhanced triggers and the new style safeties... which should all be ambidextrous. Once the new stock is finished and in production, they will be shipping with those as well. We may not be able to do folding - it's too soon to tell what the state department will say - but worst case scenario is they don't fold, but you still get the adjustable cheek riser and 5 adjustable positions.
That is your opinion. Personally, I call it lazy, which seems to be a common thing with the XCR. At lot of features seem to be made "good enough". To me, it seems the engineer stopped trying and just said, "#### it, it's good enough."
"We don't need capture pins, just use spring clips that break, it'll be good enough."
Terra, if you havent noticed, we Canadians like overbuilt guns. We obsess over the few we have so every minor detail must be perfect. It is a different mentality, based on the dry market. In the US guns are more of tools and toys, while in Canada they are more luxury/prestige items.
You can't please us all. You can never please Armedsask.
You can't please us all. You can never please Armedsask.
Mine did, after 50 rounds.yeah, because the pins break all the time.
