XCR or Sig
- Thread starter KDX
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Well, with sling, I don't think it would be bad. Alot of black rifles are quite heavy I noticed. And like IntelGDR691 said, heavier weight might be the sign of better quality, at least in the quality of metal used. (Is that true?) I suppose there won't be any possible chance I will be involved in running gun battle any time soon, so weight won't be an issue. Unless there's outbreak of zombies... Ahh~ one can only hope...
Weight + Swiss made + battle proven + high price = succes.
We would all like to believe that we all pay to much for the good stuff, it is maybe true in some rare cases, but in the case of the SIG, you get what you pay for.... the best of all (available in Canada i mean and....not restricted...)
We would all like to believe that we all pay to much for the good stuff, it is maybe true in some rare cases, but in the case of the SIG, you get what you pay for.... the best of all (available in Canada i mean and....not restricted...)
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- Calgary, Alberta
The PE90 is an assault rifle that was made for target shooting, which is why it is heavy, made largely of steel (rather than aluminum or plastic), has a bipod, sophisticated iron sights, etc. and is so much more accurate than a typical assault rifle.
As #### Horrocks (well-known TR shooter) said to me once: "The Swiss have the best-trained rifle shooters in the world and will easily be able to defeat any other Army where small arms are the deciding factor... provided they all stand exactly 300m away from the Swiss."
Which just about sums it up, IMO.
One thing no-one ever mentions about the PE90 is that they are prone to rust in a humid environment. The Swiss don't have a humid environment and I get the impression Iraq is very dry, so it's never come up, but they do rust a lot more easily than an AR-15 for example.
However, you've got to ask yourself the question as to what you intend to do with it. Are you going to be using it for target shooting or are you going to be walking through the jungle with it?
If you're using it for target shooting, there is no centrefire semi-automatic rifle to beat it out-of-the-box, with the exception of some of the high-end AR-15s and M1As, which usually cost nearly as much or more (and are usually less reliable imx, with certain exceptions).
This is not to say the PE90 is not a tough rifle, they had to redesign the stock because it was so tough it would bend the receiver if you dropped the rifle on the ground at just right angle, with the stock folded. They had to redesign it so the stock would break. But it is heavier than most of the competition, because the people who designed it had 300m ISSF in mind.
As #### Horrocks (well-known TR shooter) said to me once: "The Swiss have the best-trained rifle shooters in the world and will easily be able to defeat any other Army where small arms are the deciding factor... provided they all stand exactly 300m away from the Swiss."
Which just about sums it up, IMO.
One thing no-one ever mentions about the PE90 is that they are prone to rust in a humid environment. The Swiss don't have a humid environment and I get the impression Iraq is very dry, so it's never come up, but they do rust a lot more easily than an AR-15 for example.
However, you've got to ask yourself the question as to what you intend to do with it. Are you going to be using it for target shooting or are you going to be walking through the jungle with it?
If you're using it for target shooting, there is no centrefire semi-automatic rifle to beat it out-of-the-box, with the exception of some of the high-end AR-15s and M1As, which usually cost nearly as much or more (and are usually less reliable imx, with certain exceptions).
This is not to say the PE90 is not a tough rifle, they had to redesign the stock because it was so tough it would bend the receiver if you dropped the rifle on the ground at just right angle, with the stock folded. They had to redesign it so the stock would break. But it is heavier than most of the competition, because the people who designed it had 300m ISSF in mind.
imagine_74714 said:
Yes BC is humid (on the coast). But I think you may be over reacting here. Like any other rifle, the Swiss rifles are made of steel. The bores are not chrome lined. If you let the rifle get wet and stay wet you will see rust. The old Canadian issue FN was made of steel too. If you left it wet it rusted. Solution is to dry it off and oil it periodically.
By the way my C7 rusted too when wet. But it had a chrome bore, so there was a little less concern about the bore rusting.
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- Regina Sask
Regardless of the military contract I think people should hold on to their opinions of the XCR until one of us has actually handled and fired one.
I handled a few at the SHOT show, but did not fire any.
Seems to me to be a good design, well made (at least no obvious sloppiness).
Time will tell as to how it works in the real world. Long term durability, warranty backup, customer service, etc.
Seems to me to be a good design, well made (at least no obvious sloppiness).
Time will tell as to how it works in the real world. Long term durability, warranty backup, customer service, etc.
