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I've never seen one of these because I don't know of anyone who has one to look at in my local.
My question is this after watching some YouTube vids.
How can a barrel held by one screw be accurate? The barrel slid in to the receiver quite easily and then held in by small screw.
There must be some loose tolerance there in order to slide that easily. I understand that for military purpose this would be a plus for maintenance.

All bolt actions I've seen are either tightly threaded or press fitted and pinned in. Even AR15's are held by a barrel size tightened nut. This insures better accuracy.

For a $3000 dollar gun in CDN prices taxes in shipped, I'm not convinced accuracy will be the biggest feature of the XCR.
 
Accuracy due to the barrel lock is the least of your worries, the accuracy of the platform itself is the worry, that and thhe return to zero after removing the barrel.

If you are concerned, the ACR has all the same features plus many more and is better refined than the XCR so long as you are okay with 5.56 out of the box and willing to build your own conversion kits.
 
XCRs are great guns (I have two), but you've hit upon what I think is their greatest design deficiency. The ACR has a MUCH better design in this area. The single bolt connecting the barrel to the receiver in the XCR rifles is a stupid-assed way to do the job.
 
The XCR is a semi, not a bolt gun. No comparison, period.

Plain and simple....if the AR was non-restricted, I wouldn't have purchased an XCR. The ACR was never on my radar. My XCR, with surplus Norc ammo, will put all the rounds into 2-3 MOA. I am fine with that. Never had one FTF/FTE ever.
 
EHG said:
How can a barrel held by one screw be accurate? The barrel slid in to the receiver quite easily and then held in by small screw.
There must be some loose tolerance there in order to slide that easily. I understand that for military purpose this would be a plus for maintenance.

For a $3000 dollar gun in CDN prices taxes in shipped, I'm not convinced accuracy will be the biggest feature of the XCR.
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They are not known for their accuracy, the M (308) is better than the L (223) from my experience with them but neither are what I would consider consistently accurate. Guys who own them will come on claiming their rifle shoots moa but any targets I've seen from them usually have 20 holes in them with 5 holes circled in the middle.
That being said they are a decent firearm and if you want battle rifle accuracy you probably won't regret your purchase but if you like to make smaller groups there are better options.
The biggest appeal of the XCR is the non restricted status. Other than that I don't know why anyone would buy one for $3000. I've seen used ones go for just under $2000 on the EE but then you'd be getting an early generation model before all the factory upgrades that should have been there since day one. I think they're on something like revision 7 on the L series and I think they're finally getting close but until they change the barrel retention method the rifle will be the underdog in the accuracy department.
I've never shot one chambered in 7.62x39 but most report better accuracy from that caliber than the 223 barreled ones which really makes no sense at all but until I have a chance to shoot one in x39 I can't say for sure.
So far I've shot a few L models in 223, one in 6.8SPC, and one M model in 308w and the best I've seen is the M shooting handloads and it would occasionally do about 1.5 moa off the bench but the average was more like 2 moa.
 
cr5 said:
Guys who own them will come on claiming their rifle shoots moa but any targets I've seen from them usually have 20 holes in them with 5 holes circled in the middle. .
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Gotta say that I have rarely, if any seen anyone say that, but I will take your word for it. We all know we pay a premium for non-restricted firearms...so lets shelf that one.

I didn't buy an XCR to reload for it, that may change with the cost of ammo, but I basically treat it like my 10/22 and blast tannerite/2 litres...and hopefully some 'yotes this year. I LOVE shooting it and so do all the people I introduce to the platform.....on my buddies farm... :) . 2-3 MOA with surplus is good enough for me.
 
berger said:
Gotta say that I have rarely, if any seen anyone say that, but I will take your word for it. We all know we pay a premium for non-restricted firearms...so lets shelf that one.

I didn't buy an XCR to reload for it, that may change with the cost of ammo, but I basically treat it like my 10/22 and blast tannerite/2 litres...and hopefully some 'yotes this year. I LOVE shooting it and so do all the people I introduce to the platform.....on my buddies farm... :) . 2-3 MOA with surplus is good enough for me.
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Agreed, if you're content with the accuracy they are a good rifle, ergonomics are great and they look good. If Rob Arms ever improves the barrel retention system they have the potential to be a great rifle.

There are ways that should tighten it up but they're probably not worth the time or money. If someone is shopping for a rifle and wants sniper rifle accuracy they should buy a bolt gun but for a fun blaster that's good enough for field work just enjoy it for what it is and sleep soundly knowing that if you ever have any issues with it Wolverine will be there to take care of you.
 
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cr5 said:
Agreed, if you're content with the accuracy they are a good rifle, ergonomics are great and they look good. If Rob Arms ever improves the barrel retention system they have the potential to be a great rifle.
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I bought my first AR this month, and while I love the size and weight of it, I am so used to the ergos and controls of the XCR...they just work. I am now in the process of kitting out the AR to get some of that XCR functionality! :)
 
The latest Keymod edition has a lighter handguard/forearm and the thin profile 223 bbl. It balances well.

I have shot the 223, changed the bbl. to 6.8 SPC then back to 223 after deer season. I can see no big difference in accuracy although when I changed the barrel back to(.223) and torqued it, I went from 1 1/2-2" with Factory AE 50 JHP to the same size group, 1 5/8" but with Factory Hornady 55 Vmax. I have always had the gas setting on #2 since I bought it.

The AE JHP just didn't shoot as accurately as it originally did in the 223 barrel. I don't expect much better accuracy from factory ammo in a semi. I think reloading would make a tighter group and I may try one day to work up a load.
Also after about 6 or 7 rounds in fairly rapid fire, the group begins to widen. I coyote hunt so this hasn't been a problem even with multiple dogs or multiple shots at a single dog.

I have been issued and/or personally owned several ARs and the accuracy of both the AR and XCR, stock, out of the box is about the same.
 
I have a newer key mod xcr in 7.62x39. With a red dot and barnaul FMJ, I was able to shoot 1.5MOA groups without really trying. I'm not saying it's a precision rifle, but I think you could nail 1 MOA groups (or very close) if you tried with the new ones. That's not too bad for a battle rifle
 
The intentions of creating the XCR was to make a modern "combat style" rifle and not a tac driving minute of angle gun. If you want it for making little holes in paper, dont bother. If you want a good NR varmint/ bush gun where you can still do some "run and gun" style of shooting, then the XCR is for you.
 
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The intentions of creating the XCR was to make a modern "combat style" rifle and not a tac driving minute of angle gun. If you want it for making little holes in paper, dont bother. If you want a good NR varmint/ bush gun where you can still do some "run and gun" style of shooting, then the XCR is for you.
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This^^....it is what it is,that being a user friendly,minute of bad guy,non-restricted battle platform.If you want to shoot ragged one hole groups,buy a bolt action.
For that matter,I read somewhere that the accuracy pass/fail standard for USA battle rifle field trials is 3MOA?The XCR is all that and then some in my experiencewith keymod 5.56,easily 1.5-2MOA outta the box with milsurp and various factory loads,and I suspect better with handloads?I've read accounts of guys claiming 1MOA with handloads,but yet to test for myself,as I'm only just getting into reloading myself and still gathering kit for same.Regardless,it's as good or better as most any NR battle rifle out there from what I've seen,ACR fanboys may beg to differ,and at least as good as most out of the box ARs prior to doubling their purchase price with custom mods and upgrades,leaving you with a similarily priced restricted that you can't even shoot a gopher with legally and pay expensive range fees just for the privelage of taking it out of your house.
300yd Minute of Coyote works for me just fine.....if I want to shoot the eyeball out of a gopher at 200m,I have guns for that too.

Oh,and did I mention it's simply just a ####load of stressless and rule free fun to go out in the bush wherever you damn well please and shoot the #### outta stuff,doing mag dumps with LARs and BWs without some know-it-all range nazi breathing down your neck and giving unsolicited and incorrect legal advice.
 
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Thanks for the feedback. That was well balanced and honest.
I'm not speaking about bolt guns per say as I have plenty of those from full blown custom to Cooey single shot boys gun.

I think the same can be said with most AR's about 2 MOA with milsurp. I was always disappointed with semi auto guns and the 7.62x39 surplus. The best I've seen is around 2 MOA. I've seen the odd 1 MOA group with bolt guns and don't expect that from any SA.
My main concern was if the XCR would be worth the extra money than a CZ 858 for example. Don't care for the ergos of the CZ or an SKS.
I just like the AR platform and thinking that the XCR would be a close cousin. I'm really hoping to try one before I buy one, but don't know anyone.
 
I own an 858 as well, and I enjoy shooting it too, but different animal....not to menation pistol mags for the XCR/AR...☺
 
I own an XCR-L and have several good friends with XCR-l and M's. The newer gen's do shoot a bit better than the first gen.
I have only shot pmc 62 green tips out of mine, and have never had a group go over 2 MOA while on a rest. I torque it to the same spot every time and only remove the barrel when I have to. I am confident that I can get close to 1 MOA with handloads when I get the time. It has never had a FTF or FTE even while breaking in. I would prefer a better barrel retention system, but if it aint broke don't fix it.
I have handled the ACR, Famea, swiss arms, Tavor, and I think that the XCR is the best handling and most ergonomic (Tavor is close but TOO short for me). Everyone is going to have a personal preference, so go out and shoot a few and go from there. It was an easy decision for me.
I also try to remember that there sure isn't much energy past 600 yards with the 5.56, and 2 MOA is good enough for me to make 10/10 hits on the 12" plate at that range.
 
tracker87 said:
I own an XCR-L and have several good friends with XCR-l and M's. The newer gen's do shoot a bit better than the first gen.
I have only shot pmc 62 green tips out of mine, and have never had a group go over 2 MOA while on a rest. I torque it to the same spot every time and only remove the barrel when I have to. I am confident that I can get close to 1 MOA with handloads when I get the time. It has never had a FTF or FTE even while breaking in. I would prefer a better barrel retention system, but if it aint broke don't fix it.
I have handled the ACR, Famea, swiss arms, Tavor, and I think that the XCR is the best handling and most ergonomic (Tavor is close but TOO short for me). Everyone is going to have a personal preference, so go out and shoot a few and go from there. It was an easy decision for me.
I also try to remember that there sure isn't much energy past 600 yards with the 5.56, and 2 MOA is good enough for me to make 10/10 hits on the 12" plate at that range.
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Yeah. I wanted a non restricted ar type rifle. Liked my vz 58. But hated the sights. The gun had the potential to shoot well but the sights suck. So I picked up the xcr in 7.62x39. I have abou 500 rounds through it and I love it. Fits me better than the sks. Shoots better and I love the pistol mags when you can find them. I am actually going to try and handload for it and use it as my truck gun for next hunting season. Tree stand. Not so much in that calibre. But I really like it. I was shooting it at a 10 inch gong at 200 yards yesterday. Never missed once. It actually got boring. I am not saying the are a tack driver. But they have way more going for it than cheaper non restricted rifles. Just one needs to pay the non restricted tax. And with the dollar in the tank. They aren't getting any cheaper.

Rifleman.
 
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i have pre keymod version quadrail L model, both HB 763x39 and 223/556. All in avage 2-2.5" group with mil surplus ammo. Most mid-ranged and cheap AR(2000 bucks or cheaper) will usually do 3-5 " group with surplus ammo. And high end AR with long M or H match barrel shoot match ammo can do 1-2" group.

Considering L model using AK style long stroke piston system, acheaving this kind of accuracy is amazing.

Ever try to pull out XCR barrel? Will be a little struggle even arefter you completly back out that set screw, that's how tight it should fit. It's been as tight as it needed to be, no worry there.
 
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