Xcr vs ACR

Jerek said:
Thanks. Do you know if they can be rebarreled with a machined flash hider to keep the length down? Or does he only thread them? I'm still waiting on an email back from him.
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Yes, Ian will do that for you, I've shot one of his re-barreled rifles that had exactly that done to it. It shot very well. Just be sure to think it through before you tell him what type FH you want because once it's done it can't be changed. If you go with a brake then it will be quite loud, the one I shot that he did was a 4 prong FH and it was very comfortable to shoot.
 
cr5 said:
The up to a year wait is for parts from Gravel, you are free to order them yourself and then once they are all in your hands you can send them to him to build the conversion, once he has the parts the barrel build and fitting only takes a few days. Just give him some notice so he can order a barrel blank. The wait is for the backordered parts not for him to do the conversion.
He is in the process of getting his manufacturers license (may have it by now) and then he will be a business and will be a site sponsor but in the mean time the longer you sit on the fence thinking out loud the longer you will wait to get the rifle.
You're thinking out loud is why he won't order all the parts and the barrel for you without some commitment on your end. It seems that all you do is think out loud and he doesn't want to get stuck with a $1000 conversion when you change your mind down the road.
Of course it's expensive, you are asking for something that requires a lot of money in parts and labor.

I haven't heard of any conversions Herron has had to work on to get functioning, care to share some details. The only conversions out there to my knowledge are Herron arms 223 conversions, Dlask 223 barrels and some Questar barrels before they got out of the ACR due to lack of parts availability from Bushmaster. Other than those conversions the 300 Blackout I had built and the 3 or 4 1911 built are the only ones out there in Canada.
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I just asked Ian at herron for an update on the 450 conversion, he replied, sounds like he has the parts and is just waiting on a reamer now.
 
when someone is ready to do it I will send a rifle, probably just buy new and have it shipped directly to whoever has a working conversion to sell first.
 
Brian46 said:
when someone is ready to do it I will send a rifle, probably just buy new and have it shipped directly to whoever has a working conversion to sell first.
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Just went back over my messages with 1911, I misread his original message and he figures 8 weeks for parts but it could take longer. I've been waiting longer than that for my bolt and extractor to complete my 6.8SPC kit.
If you're ready to commit to it it's an easy conversion for him, barrel will be at least 0.74 inch outside diameter. He needs enough notice to have the barrel show up with or before the gas system parts.
You better start reloading though, 450B factory ammo isn't cheap.
 
It's going to be a hunting rifle so it will not see many rounds like a paper puncher would. The few places I have found ammo here has been roughly $2 a rnd, nothing worse than average cost for my other hunting rifles premium ammo. This is also why I want a good quality barrel and conversion because I do not want to have to tinker with trying to get it running right

I will get a 7.62x39 conversion for it as well after I have had some trigger time (If I like it)
 
cr5 said:
That might have something to do with the fact they aren't available yet from the factory.
If you want a restricted ACR most Bushmaster retailers have them in stock and if you ask them to match IRunGuns price you should be able to get one for around $2500 then for around $500-$1000 more (depending which route you take) you can have a non restricted ACR that will outshoot an XCR.
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I would like to think that if I put a custom barrel on my XCR I betcha it would shoot just as good, has anyone compared the stock barrels on an ACR to an XCR
 
cr5 said:
The up to a year wait is for parts from Gravel, you are free to order them yourself and then once they are all in your hands you can send them to him to build the conversion, once he has the parts the barrel build and fitting only takes a few days. Just give him some notice so he can order a barrel blank. The wait is for the backordered parts not for him to do the conversion.
He is in the process of getting his manufacturers license (may have it by now) and then he will be a business and will be a site sponsor but in the mean time the longer you sit on the fence thinking out loud the longer you will wait to get the rifle.
You're thinking out loud is why he won't order all the parts and the barrel for you without some commitment on your end. It seems that all you do is think out loud and he doesn't want to get stuck with a $1000 conversion when you change your mind down the road.
Of course it's expensive, you are asking for something that requires a lot of money in parts and labor.

I haven't heard of any conversions Herron has had to work on to get functioning, care to share some details. The only conversions out there to my knowledge are Herron arms 223 conversions, Dlask 223 barrels and some Questar barrels before they got out of the ACR due to lack of parts availability from Bushmaster. Other than those conversions the 300 Blackout I had built and the 3 or 4 1911 built are the only ones out there in Canada.
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$1000? So we're talking about a $3850 rifle now. It's nowhere in the same class as the XCR and shouldn't be compared. It would be like comparing the T97 with XCR.
 
superlative said:
$1000? So we're talking about a $3850 rifle now. It's nowhere in the same class as the XCR and shouldn't be compared. It would be like comparing the T97 with XCR.
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Try reading the entire post. That price is for the 450 Bushmaster conversion which Brian wanted an entire new gas system and which needs a new bolt which is over $600 in parts alone. If you use your factory gas system like most other conversions and if you stick to a caliber that doesn't require a new bolt then the price is around $500 but could be less if you don't want a premium barrel blank.
Leaving your gas system on your factory barrel is dumb since it's illegal to put the restricted length barrel back on after you have it declassified and made non restricted.
He wants to keep the 16 inch ready to install just in case some day the government changes the laws in our favor and the 16 inch becomes non restricted. Not likely :rolleyes:
 
ACR shoots 1-2 MOA
XCR shoots 2-3 MOA

This is based off of my own data shooting 200-300 rounds of various ammo through each rifle in 5rd groups @ 100yds.
Vortex viper 4x12 in American defense QD mount used on both rifles.

NR ACR=$3900 for 1-2 MOA and 8.5lbs
NR XCR=$2800 for 2-3 MOA and 7.5lbs

There's the truth in black and white. the choice is yours.

XCR is mine to keep, ACR is up for sale. I'm going to loose 1000 bucks on it but hey at least I found out for myself.
Thats my opinion, I'm not knocking the ACR, I just prefer the XCR for what it costs. As well as the weight savings since I plan on HUNTING with this black rifle.
 
eatredmeat157 said:
ACR shoots 1-2 MOA
XCR shoots 2-3 MOA

This is based off of my own data shooting 200-300 rounds of various ammo through each rifle in 5rd groups @ 100yds.
Vortex viper 4x12 in American defense QD mount used on both rifles.

NR ACR=$3900 for 1-2 MOA and 8.5lbs
NR XCR=$2800 for 2-3 MOA and 7.5lbs

There's the truth in black and white. the choice is yours.

XCR is mine to keep, ACR is up for sale. I'm going to loose 1000 bucks on it but hey at least I found out for myself.
Thats my opinion, I'm not knocking the ACR, I just prefer the XCR for what it costs. As well as the weight savings since I plan on HUNTING with this black rifle.
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what caliber and what you plan on hunting?
 
eatredmeat157 said:
ACR shoots 1-2 MOA
XCR shoots 2-3 MOA

This is based off of my own data shooting 200-300 rounds of various ammo through each rifle in 5rd groups @ 100yds.
Vortex viper 4x12 in American defense QD mount used on both rifles.

NR ACR=$3900 for 1-2 MOA and 8.5lbs
NR XCR=$2800 for 2-3 MOA and 7.5lbs

There's the truth in black and white. the choice is yours.

XCR is mine to keep, ACR is up for sale. I'm going to loose 1000 bucks on it but hey at least I found out for myself.
Thats my opinion, I'm not knocking the ACR, I just prefer the XCR for what it costs. As well as the weight savings since I plan on HUNTING with this black rifle.
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If you buy your ACR used and do the conversion with the Dlask $550 barrel or have your barrels built like I did you can have your non restricted ACR for under $3000.

For me the increased accuracy is worth it and the weight doesn't bother me. Really, what's a pound?

There is more than just the price to consider for me, I like the ACR better. Not knocking the XCR, I've shot quite a few of them and never had an issue, I just prefer the ACR and like it's design better.

Either way you go you are getting a good rifle that should serve you well.
 
cr5 said:
If you buy your ACR used and do the conversion with the Dlask $550 barrel or have your barrels built like I did you can have your non restricted ACR for under $3000.

For me the increased accuracy is worth it and the weight doesn't bother me. Really, what's a pound?

There is more than just the price to consider for me, I like the ACR better. Not knocking the XCR, I've shot quite a few of them and never had an issue, I just prefer the ACR and like it's design better.

Either way you go you are getting a good rifle that should serve you well.
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not sure where $3900 comes from unless taxes, shipping and gunsmithing or some other fees are being included......My new ACR was 2700 and I believe herron is 8-900 for a complete conversion unless you do something odd like a 450 that doesn't even have an FRT
 
Brian46 said:
not sure where $3900 comes from unless taxes, shipping and gunsmithing or some other fees are being included......My new ACR was 2700 and I believe herron is 8-900 for a complete conversion unless you do something odd like a 450 that doesn't even have an FRT
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3900$ is NR ACR, barrel, taxes, all in.
2800$ is NR XCR, taxes, all in.
 
eatredmeat157 said:
3900$ is NR ACR, barrel, taxes, all in.
2800$ is NR XCR, taxes, all in.
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Please explain where you are getting those numbers.
I have been quoted $2500 for a brand new restricted ACR and the Dlask barrel is $550 plus shipping to and from for them to install it and declassify it for you or you can easilly install it yourself and have it verified and declassified at a gunsmith who is certified to do it, prob be the same price either way. That totals $3050 plus tax which makes it $3202.50 plus shipping (less than $100) here in Alberta or any other province without PST.
I can also have barrels made for under $500 since it is basically an AR barrel with a mid length gas system and a notch for the op rod guide. If you really want one cheap order an 18.5-20 inch NEA or S&J barrel with mid length gas port for $250 and give a smith with a lathe $100 to notch it and cross drill it for the gas block pins.
It is a little more money than an XCR no matter how you do it but the XCR can never touch the ACR for accuracy. A few guys are reporting sub moa groups from their NR ACR's. To me that's worth a couple hundred dollars more.
 
I paid 2799 for my new ACR enhanced from my local gunstore.
I paid 550 for my barrel from Dlask
2799+550=3349
3349+ 5%GST and 7%PST =3750.88
Plus 30 bucks in shipping =3780.88

So it's 3780$

Ok so you caught me lying. I just added it up quickly in my head the first time I apologize for my inconsistency.
 
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