XCR vs AR15

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Anyone who knows anything about such things; can you comment on one vs. the other for a 1st-time buyer? I have a CZ-58 currently, and although I like it, it is not in the same sort of class as a finicky AR-15. Not even certain I want one over a SOCOM M-14 or M1A1 for example, but would like your thoughts.

Cheers.
 
Go with the XCR. It is Non-restricted and looks way cooler. It is not that much more expensive either, and you get the full top rail and quad rail, as well as the ability to easily swap barrels of a different calibre.
 
I realize there are legal issues to consider there (I'm in the States) but from a functional standpoint the XCR is a complete POS if you intend to use it hard. I've had several students bring them to train and they ALL suck. Parts falling out, every malfunction you can imagine, etc....

This is first person observation. Hope it helps.
 
I hear ya Kyle, but in our country, the AR15 is classified the same as a handgun and can only be shot at a gun range, you cannot go hunting in Canada with a AR15. It's basically a range toy. Sadly I might add.

But the XCR is more versatile up here, you can shoot it in the woods, or shoot it at the gun range since it is Non-Restricted,it's in the same classification as my remington 22LR gopher gun.

I'm surprised you've had people with that many complaints about them, I've heard good things up here. I'm not even an XCR owner, I own a AR15.
 
Kyle Lynch said:
I realize there are legal issues to consider there (I'm in the States) but from a functional standpoint the XCR is a complete POS if you intend to use it hard. I've had several students bring them to train and they ALL suck. Parts falling out, every malfunction you can imagine, etc....

This is first person observation. Hope it helps.
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Not surprised...having owned, and sold, both of my RobArms units, I concur that these things have a 'beta version' feel to them.
Good in concept, not so good in execution and development.
AR have been around long enough, and had enough tons of manhours and dollars thrown at them...the end result is a rugged, reliable weapon system.

The XCR is still an OK choice for us Kanadians, as it is unlikely to see the severe workout a rifle/carbine would get in a tactical course.
Eotech's seem to suffer in comparison to Aimpoints in the same way....
Great design, but enough reports of failures under harsh conditions.....

Just my $0.02 sense worth.......
 
I know many, many of our customers who are very happy with their rifles and have never had issues with them.

If someone has a problem with their XCR, it's because they haven't talked to me.
 
Here is my first hand observation on how the XCR has performed. I have one of the first units shipped to Canada, selected at random. This is a display/demo rifle kept in the store. She gets regular use and has been used in every Tactical Carbine Match that we have held here, often by several different competitors. To date not one single report of a malfunction, except on one occasion an ejector block screw fell out and jammed the trigger. This was reinstalled with Loc-tite and no more problems. It turns out that a batch of rifles had the Loc-tite missed during assemble.

This rifle gets no special treatment, is only cleaned after competitions, the only preparation before matches is a good slug of oil, which is a standard practice for me, which I apply to any (semi) automatic firearm before a match. I do not have enough time to shoot these days and even less time to clean guns. Caressing my large caliber double rifle taking preference!

This rifle is fitted with a Schmidt & Bender short dot scope and has shot very well from 300 yds to point blank, a variety of ammo and mags have been used. In one match there was a requirement to crawl along a shallow ditch under barbed wire, it was hot and dry and the ditch had about 4 inches of dust in the bottom and by the end of the day this was the consistency of talcum powder. Most of us filled up our mag pouches, holsters, firearms, shirts, shorts and boots crawling up this ditch, there was a lot of cursing and cleaning of equipment. The XCR was used by four us, she was not cleaned until the next day and performed 100%, I was very impressed.

Personally I find her “softer” in recoil than any M15 (not that recoil is an issue with 5.56mm) I shoot tighter double taps with her, she is a little nose heavy which is excellent when firing but a pain the butt the rest of the time but the 18.6 inch barrel keeps her non-restricted which means we can shoot Gophers with her.

Based on my XCR, I rate her reliability right up there with my favorites which would include the following: Thompson, M1, M14, M15, FN FAL, Galil, AK47 and MAG58. This observation is based on a lot of first hand experience with these firearms
 
Don't forget the best ergonomics of any black rifle. All the controls are operable by your strong hand. Love it!

After chamfering my bolt face (Thanks for the help Terra) I've had nary a problem with it. It is by far my favourite gun. The rails kick-ass, the adjustable gas valve, piston driven AND unrestricted are what sold me on it.

Vonschmoot: funny all your comparison guns are 30 cals. Not really comparable. .223 is way cheaper to shoot and more fun in that you cna blast all day long. Don't forget the 10 rnd mags available for .223.

AR's a great fun, and you have a wide selection of uppers and lowers as well as mods galore. Not so much with the XCR. However, I never felt the need to mod the XCR. Mine is pretty straight up. LAR 15-10 rnd mags and an Aimpoint on ARMS mount and I'm good to go.

A few of my friends AR's felt cheaper to me than the XCR. The materials were often cheap stamped steel or plastic. The XCR feels like quality to me. Good tolerances, brilliant design. The CDN barreled version is nose heavy with a big heavy barrel, but this is a plus to me for an accurate durable rifle as I'm not about to trek into the mountains of BC with one looking for Dahl's sheep.

As for training hard with it, I couldn't say. Hard for me is 500 rnds one day at the range, then another day in the bush/gravel pit for another 500 rnds without cleaning in between. Nothing about the gun has given me any reason to question it.

I don't think you can go wrong either way, but the features of the XCR sold me on it. Good luck.
 
All rifles braek once in a while... Yes, even AR's.

I thought about getting an XCR, but I think AR parts are much easier to get and probably cheaper.

I mean... One compnay is spitting out XCR's. How many produce AR's...?
 
I don't use my ar anymore. It rocks, but ####s where it eats. The xcr doesn't and is non-restricted too. It also doesn't have a plastic lower a la ar180b

The at just gets so gummed up after a thousand rounds
 
I did what Davy suggested, and got em both. My AR sees nearly weekly use while the XCR usually stays home. I'll break the XCR out when I go into the bush, but it doesn't see that much range time. This is not a result of the XCR's quality, I just prefer to shoot ARs.

I also haven't been able to get as consistent groups out of the XCR as my ar 15.

I think the only reason I bought the XCR was because it's non-restricted.

If it's primarily a range gun, I'd say get the AR.
 
Armedsask said:
Or buy both and then sell the XCR a couple weeks later because that's what will happen.
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+1, I'm confident that's what I would end up doing. I considered an XCR, but I just don't have a use for it... I hear people complain about the AR being a "range toy", but living in the city means I can't shoot in my backyard anyway... and if I was going hunting I definitely wouldn't go with 5.56.
 
sogetthis said:
+1, I'm confident that's what I would end up doing. I considered an XCR, but I just don't have a use for it... I hear people complain about the AR being a "range toy", but living in the city means I can't shoot in my backyard anyway... and if I was going hunting I definitely wouldn't go with 5.56.
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Well you don't have to go with 5.56 you can get the thing in 6.8spc, 7.62x39 and shortly it will be in 6.5 grendel and 7.62x51. I have over put many rounds through my XCR without malfunction excluding operator error. I know of many people in the US whom have used the rifle on CQB courses and such and never had a problem while AR's failed. If the rifle is properly broken in and used properly it will function without a hiccup.
 
mrsmitty said:
Well you don't have to go with 5.56 you can get the thing in 6.8spc, 7.62x39 and shortly it will be in 6.5 grendel and 7.62x51. I have over put many rounds through my XCR without malfunction excluding operator error. I know of many people in the US whom have used the rifle on CQB courses and such and never had a problem while AR's failed. If the rifle is properly broken in and used properly it will function without a hiccup.
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I would definitely buy one in 6.5 Grendel! For some reason, I have a hardon for that cartridge. I've inquired at Wolverine about a Sabre upper chambered in 6.5, and they have offered to put one on to their next order for me.... but firm details on ETA, price have not been forthcoming. :(
 
Tron said:
I did what Davy suggested, and got em both. My AR sees nearly weekly use while the XCR usually stays home. I'll break the XCR out when I go into the bush, but it doesn't see that much range time. This is not a result of the XCR's quality, I just prefer to shoot ARs.

I also haven't been able to get as consistent groups out of the XCR as my ar 15.

I think the only reason I bought the XCR was because it's non-restricted.

If it's primarily a range gun, I'd say get the AR.
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got any pics of the XCR?

also, who carries these in Canada and what is the going rate?

cheers
 
I'll field this one before someone jumps down your throat. But really, the search function has all the answers.

Wolverine Supplies is the Canadian distributor. They are a forum sponsor and you can find their banner up top. There a literally dozens of XCR variant photos on the forum.

There is a considerable waiting list, with delivery (at the tail end) coming next spring. The going rate according to Wolverine is around $2050.00 or so.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Based on my XCR, I rate her reliability right up there with my favorites which would include the following: Thompson, M1, M14, M15, FN FAL, Galil, AK47 and MAG58. This observation is based on a lot of first hand experience with these firearms
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I'm not going to doubt you John, however, I'm wondering how the XCR will hold up running multiple 30 round magazines through it, one after another, such as would be required in most tactical courses offered in the USA? Neutered 5 round mags and even the 10 round LAR mags simply aren't the same.
 
X-man said:
I'm not going to doubt you John, however, I'm wondering how the XCR will hold up running multiple 30 round magazines through it, one after another, such as would be required in most tactical courses offered in the USA? Neutered 5 round mags and even the 10 round LAR mags simply aren't the same.
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I know of several people in the US whom have done tactical courses and CQB courses without a problem. Check with xcrforum if you have any doubts.
 
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