XCR vs AR15

X-man said:
Not to bash the XCR, but given what you "get" including the crappy trigger and having to loctite parts to keep them from falling off, etc...shouldn't this rifle be priced accordingly, i.e., sub-$1000.00 rather than double that price point?

I know the Swiss Arms rifles are uber expensive but I do know that they're going to go bang everytime I pull the trigger, parts aren't going to fall off and it'll still work if I don't clean it after ever hunting or range trip.

My Colt, LMT and STAG ARs are almost as reliable and I've never had anything fall off them or have to loctite anything on them. I think if Robarms wants to compete with other black rifle manufacturers, they need to do some redesign work to eliminate the necessity of using loctite to keep critical parts from being lost or causing catastrophic stoppages, etc...and they need to improve fit/finish or drop their price to accommodate the lower level of finishing.
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I have never had to loctite any of my parts on my rifle. Though I checked them to make sure they had been loctited and secured properly from the factory. The reason they have these parts made to be removable is if they fail they can be replaced. This is something that you can't do if the parts are intergral to the receiver. If they were part of the receiver then if they broke or failed and (all parts do no matter what gun it is) you have to completely replace the whole gun. The reason some of these early rifles were having parts fall off was fault of poor Quality Control at Robarm in the early batches. For the most part this has been taken care of now and the New ones shouldn't have as many problems with parts being not properly secured from the factory. As for cost the rifle doesn't cost 2500 as Armedsask suggests it costs between 1800-2100 dollars. Mine cost me 1895 new. When you take into account all the extras that you don't get on a typical AR 15 from the factory like the full length rail and quad rail system, MI BUIS and hardcase, the price isn't all that much more than an AR.

In closing Quality Control is the single most important thing for Robarm if they want keep and sway customers. I hope they continue to improve on this as well as their excellent customer service that Terra has been providing for anyone with any issues.
 
So I went to the range today, just took the xcr, and the P&D socom m14 norc for sight in for new optics. the xcr went bang every time, as did the norc.

The screw on the elevation knob on my norc came loose!!! It must be a POS!!!

God I love that m14.
 
Everyone seems to understand the good points about the XCR, but really, a good gun needs to give the shooter confidence. Mine popped primers out of the box. After several failed attempts to correct the problem they finally gave me a new barrel. Everything worked fine for a few hundred rounds and then the plague that everyone is discussing happened - loose selector, loose ejector, loose gas block... now everything is locktite - tight and still more problems! There's the odd round that just doesn't go boom. Cool gun? Yes. Reliable gun? NFWay!
 
The XCR is like all rifles out there. Some are good, some are great and some are lemons. I know of no manufacturer that doesn't have problems galore and even the odd bad production run.

Let ye who has no malfunctions out of the box cast the first stone.

SIG, Robinson, DPMS, Colt, RRA all have more than their fair share of problems. 30 years of development and the AR crews can't get their #### right? Puhlease. Riiiiiight... Just Google "AR15 problems" and tell me they are confidence inspiring behemoths of reliability. Look at the threads in CGN on the Tavor problems. Expensive and lemony fresh outta the box.

As for the XCR being more expensive, you're buying quality materials instead of plastic and stamped sheet metal. What is an expensive extra on most rifles you get with the stock XCR like quad rails. My XCR has been rock solid since I chamfered the bolt face. Also I'm sure Wolverine's markup was pretty good on an "unrestricted" black rilfe newly available to Canada. Now that Armedsask's negative campaign against the XCR has taken route, funny how the price dropped to the $1850's. Still expensive? Yes. Still competitive in the market place? Yes.

Think of the gun that you believe is soooooo reliable. Then go to the appropriate support forums and look at the NIB problems that befell unsuspecting victims. Then come back here, and tell me with a straight face wich gun is so reliable. I will then go to the same forums, copy and paste the problems others have had NIB paste them here so you can taste the same load of crap for yourself.
 
The XCR seems nice but its about the same price as the SL8 up here so I'll pass. There are other non res rifles in its price range that are hands down better and built by companies like Sig and HK that have the bugs already worked out. When you consider its price and the negative experiances some have had with it the XCR just isn't on my radar. The only thing it has going for it is the quad rail and which is an accessory that can be had for almost any rifle.

ARs on the other hand aren't champian rifles either. I surmise that if the US and Canadian militaries stoped using them their civillian demand would drop off very quickly. Either way the AR is a much cheeper platform then the XCR so if you're only interested in range time then get the AR.
 
suprathepeg said:
ARs on the other hand aren't champian rifles either. I surmise that if the US and Canadian militaries stoped using them their civillian demand would drop off very quickly. Either way the AR is a much cheeper platform then the XCR so if you're only interested in range time then get the AR.
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Agreed. The FN FAL is what everyone should be buying. LOL!

Don't forget piston driven. The action stays cleaner and is less prone to gum up with the XCR. Of course there are mods of ARs out there that offer the same thing, but then the price advantage disappears.
 
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