XCR vs Sig classic green
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The XCR rules.
I get 1 moa groups and I can swap the barrel out in 1.3 minutes with a 1/4" hex key, and shoot a different round without losing zero.
This rifle shoots very clean and I've yet to have a malfunction.
If you can try one first, that will do it.
I get 1 moa groups and I can swap the barrel out in 1.3 minutes with a 1/4" hex key, and shoot a different round without losing zero.
This rifle shoots very clean and I've yet to have a malfunction.
If you can try one first, that will do it.
Both are good in my opinion having shot both. SIG/SAN is high quality but with the sticker price to prove it. It handles nicely and is accurate but so is the XCR. Here's my $0.02.
I like the XCR better because it is more modular with the whole assortment of AR15 accessories. You can use the 10 round AR15 magazines in them, the extra round capacity especially with a coupler works great. You can choose whatever type of rear sight and front sight you like versus the fixed (but very good) diopter sights on the SAN. If you like diopters you can get them for the XCR but it will be harder and probably have to special order them from the US. It's harder to get a co-witness with the SAN unless you get a handguard rail system and a low mounted sight.
I don't see the need for a folding stock on the XCR as it increases the LOP from 12" to 13". While not comfortable either way, anyone can shoot a firearm with a shorter LOP compared with having too much LOP. I rather have a collapsible stock but that's my preference.
Right handed people might prefer the XCR over the SIG over the placement of the charging handle. SIG controls feel oddly prefect for a Southpaw but can be worked well still by a right handed person with training without taking your right hand off fire control with practice.
For the cost I would have to go with the XCR. The rails are included compared to SIG/SAN which is already overpriced. For the price of a SIG alone I probably could get an XCR and an Aimpoint and possibly a crate of ammo. If you have the money and like the SIG better go with it. It's a nice rifle that shoots beautifully.
Try both out then make a decision.
I like the XCR better because it is more modular with the whole assortment of AR15 accessories. You can use the 10 round AR15 magazines in them, the extra round capacity especially with a coupler works great. You can choose whatever type of rear sight and front sight you like versus the fixed (but very good) diopter sights on the SAN. If you like diopters you can get them for the XCR but it will be harder and probably have to special order them from the US. It's harder to get a co-witness with the SAN unless you get a handguard rail system and a low mounted sight.
I don't see the need for a folding stock on the XCR as it increases the LOP from 12" to 13". While not comfortable either way, anyone can shoot a firearm with a shorter LOP compared with having too much LOP. I rather have a collapsible stock but that's my preference.
Right handed people might prefer the XCR over the SIG over the placement of the charging handle. SIG controls feel oddly prefect for a Southpaw but can be worked well still by a right handed person with training without taking your right hand off fire control with practice.
For the cost I would have to go with the XCR. The rails are included compared to SIG/SAN which is already overpriced. For the price of a SIG alone I probably could get an XCR and an Aimpoint and possibly a crate of ammo. If you have the money and like the SIG better go with it. It's a nice rifle that shoots beautifully.
Try both out then make a decision.
I wasn't aware you were familiar with the thousands of XCR owners and their professions. That's pretty awe-inspiring.
Davy Crockett
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Oh no?
..excuse the 2-tone, it's black on black now. Should update my pics.
yeah yeah
I thought of that when I was making my post but he asked about a classic green not a 556 hybrid.
The XCR is an okay weekend plinker. It isn't a serious competition rifle, let alone combat rifle. For either of those uses, stick with an AR-15 or SAN rifle. The XCR has a tendency to "lose parts" and for the prices being charged, that simply isn't acceptable. If they were selling for around the same prices as the Norinco CQ 556, I'd buy another XCR. They aren't worth more than double that price and the only thing they really have going for them in Canada is that they're non-restricted and can take LAR-15 mags. In terms of quality, durability and accuracy, the Swiss Arms Classic/Special series and Carbines win hands down. The issue with the SG-552 was specific to the full auto 552 Commando variants (not available in Canada). SAN has since fixed that issue and now offers the 553 in its place. As an owner of the look-alike semi-auto CQB (among other Swiss Arms rifles) I'd like to say that I've never had a single issue with my rifle, including zero FTF, FTE and my rifle was from among the first batch imported into Canada. It is the one rifle that will never sell as it is just too much damn fun to shoot!
Look at what the Swiss and Germans do with there rifles there excellent quality the parts are all manufactured with the highest specs. And they also take pride in what they are making.. Robinson arms xcr are junk mass produced in the US. Look at the contract you cant tell me it failed because of a blank round adaptor that’s a load of crap they failed because there junk. Robinson arms started in 1996 Sig started in 1853 sig has had a lot of time to perfect its firearms Look at the company history .. Sig is used around the world way more then rob arms .. Just take a look at the real quality crap coming from the US there standards are seriously lacking these days its all about the dollar for them not the pride in making quality items. this goes for more then just firearms the Swiss and Germans know there stuff when it comes to quality .... When all others are in the coffin a sig keeps shooting ...
While I don't own an XCR and Swiss Arms (well, I used to have a few of them), some of these comments are turning into baseless ranting.
First of all, it is unfair to accuse Robarms of not taking pride into what they do - calling them "junk mass produced" is totall uncalled for. People take pride in their work. You can support what you like, but degeneration into malicious accusation is not only unacceptable but offensive.
Knowing XCRmonger actually works at Robarms factory - she deserves an apology for such baseless insult.
First of all, it is unfair to accuse Robarms of not taking pride into what they do - calling them "junk mass produced" is totall uncalled for. People take pride in their work. You can support what you like, but degeneration into malicious accusation is not only unacceptable but offensive.
Knowing XCRmonger actually works at Robarms factory - she deserves an apology for such baseless insult.
By Whom?
A few police agencies, including some anti-terrorist police units, the best is the Papal See, whose elite Swiss guards use it.
Aside from the Swiss, name a reputable military which uses it as their service rifle.
Mike Kelly won the Canadian Nationals Level III 3-Gun Match competition using his XCR™ Rifle on 2August 2009
How many national IPSC competitions have you won with your SAN?
I was going to mention Mike Kelly's win,...and that he did this shooting PMC factory ammo, and iron sights. (standard division) He also did not have the new trigger, which would have pushed him out farther ahead of his competition.
***oh Yeah, Mike is a southpaw BTW.
I totally agree with Greentips. Even if one rifle is better than another, it does not mean that the other one is junk. We should appreciate time and effort of people trying to come up with new product and not discourage them, regardless of whether they triumph or fail in it. I have a Blue Star ( thanks to greentips ) and my friend has XCR. We always shoot together. In my opinion Blue Star is better, it is definitely more accurate. But I also do not see anything wrong with XCR, with exception of a very unpleasant trigger. But his rifle is from older batch and I have heard that the trigger has been fixed since. I used to have AR 15 and liked it too, if it was not restricted I would have never sold it. We now bought CZ 858 with my friend and I like it too. I think most of firearms I have owned were nice. Why call something junk? In fact the firearm that I was mostly unsatisfied with was a Glock 17, that is revered by everyone else. I think people should consider what they are buying their rifles for and forget about how one or another firearm has performed in a military conflict. I wanted to have a semi auto rifle that I can be the most accurate with at 100 to 300 yards shooting at paper target. I have found that for my purpose Swiss Arms was the best.
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A lot of it comes down to value for money. I prefer the Swiss Arms. But, the XCR is also a good rifle, and it is much easier on the bank account.
Buy them both.... sell the one you like the least after a few months of shooting.
Buy them both.... sell the one you like the least after a few months of shooting.
That’s just my opinion I am not pointing any fingers at workers in the factory’s it goes much higher then the person on the assembly line... its not there fault there just doing there job ... no offence to any workers there and sorry if any was taken out of context
I don't own either, but like I tend to do... I will comment anyway
I have held the Sig and it was very nice with a great trigger....you can tell alot by 2-3 dry fires. I have not held a XCR.
So Sig for the Win hands down. Much better fit and finish
I have held the Sig and it was very nice with a great trigger....you can tell alot by 2-3 dry fires. I have not held a XCR.
So Sig for the Win hands down. Much better fit and finish
