XCR vs SIG

Paul Morrison said:
The XCR has an ambidexterous bolt release, which has significantly better ergonomics. Its bolt handle is on the left, not the right, allowing it to be cycled without removing the firearm from a shooting position.
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Most small arms on the planet have a right-hand side charging handle. Seems fine.

Paul Morrison said:
It takes AR mags.
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Until recently, the SIG magazines were functionally superior.

Paul Morrison said:
It can be converted to various calibres.
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No utility in such a feature. I don\'t understand why it\'s even brought up.

Paul Morrison said:
It has an adjustable gas system.
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The SIG\'s gas system is precisely regulated by the careful mechanical timing and the geometry of gas channel in the piston. It delivers an optimal amount of gas for operation without the risk of running the gun on an improper setting. This makes it a much smarter and simple system, superior by design. And it does give the shooter an emergency setting to use with extreme fouling.

Paul Morrison said:
It has a monolithic pic rail upper.
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The SIG can be railed.

Paul Morrison said:
and... yes it is being used by LEO\'s and by some operators in the sandbox (private security contractors).
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No sources provided, so I\'m going to assume that\'s not true.
 
Just going to point out a few things
nestle said:
Most small arms on the planet have a right-hand side charging handle. Seems fine.
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Just because other firearms have it on the right side doesn't make it better. The left side charging handle is superior ergonomically for most shooters (right handed)

nestle said:
The SIG can be railed.
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Yes it can be railed but its still not a monolithic making it an inferior rail system. Not to mention it is more money for the rail bringing up the total cost of the Swiss arms as well as the weight.

I own both rifles and yes the Swiss arms is of superior quality. But its quality you pay for. The XCR does have the upper hand in some aspects as does the Swiss rifle. If you can afford the Swiss rifle and the things like the right side charging handle, rock in mags, the bolt release and the lack of monolithic rail system don't bother you, buy it. If you can't afford the swiss or the features of the XCR appeal to you buy the XCR.
 
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y2k said:
does anyone use the XCR? ie military or police.
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I believe Terra mention some police departments have purchased it for their patrol rifles with mostly positive feedback. Some negatives due to growing pains and slight QC issues. Mostly seem resolved now, praises for the rifle are now almost what you always hear.


nestle said:
No utility in such a feature. I don\'t understand why it\'s even brought up.
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For those of us that that have minimum caliber laws (hunting), being able to switch between a .223 for varmint work and then step up a caliber for hunting with the same rifle is convenient. Saves safe space too since the barrel and bolt doesn't have to be secured for storage.
 
Wow nestle. Are you married to Swiss Arms or something. Someone posts some good comments about a XCR and you just pull them down. We all know you prefer a your Sig but why can't someone else prefer the XCR without taking grief from you.

I have handled both for a few hundred rounds each and they complete different rifles. It all comes down to what you are going to use it for. A Swiss would be great for the range but for me thats where the uses stop for me. Its heavy but accurate. Some people actually go out and want to carry theirs and last i checked you couldn't hunt a deer with a Swiss Arms. My suggestion is to you y2k is to shoot both and then choose cause people will always speak their opinion but yours is the only one that counts.
 
300vanguard said:
Wow nestle. Are you married to Swiss Arms or something. Someone posts some good comments about a XCR and you just pull them down. We all know you prefer a your Sig but why can't someone else prefer the XCR without taking grief from you.

I have handled both for a few hundred rounds each and they complete different rifles. It all comes down to what you are going to use it for. A Swiss would be great for the range but for me thats where the uses stop for me. Its heavy but accurate. Some people actually go out and want to carry theirs and last i checked you couldn't hunt a deer with a Swiss Arms. My suggestion is to you y2k is to shoot both and then choose cause people will always speak their opinion but yours is the only one that counts.
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one is almost 2000$ more expansive than the other (with scope rail and sufficient mags), I don't understand why people are still comparing them? IMHO they are both worth the price, at the end it only depends how much are you willing to spent.
 
The XCR is better. It is more accurate, it is more reliable, and the fit and finish is also superior to that of the Swiss Arms. The XCR also has the benefit of more rigorous testing, as well as the corporate backing of Robarms, which is a rock solid name in the industry. Their weapons never fail, and they support their customers, both in the USA and Canada.

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Most small arms on the planet have a right-hand side charging handle. Seems fine.
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If it is on the right side, and you are right handed, you cannot charge it without removing it from the shooting position on your shoulder. You can with an XCR.

Until recently, the SIG magazines were functionally superior.
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But mine is legally allowed to carry twice as many rounds.

No utility in such a feature. I don\'t understand why it\'s even brought up.
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Ever tried hunting a moose with a .223? You can with a 6.8 SPC.

How much does 1200 rounds of .223 cost? You can buy a crate of 1200 rounds of 7.62x39 for 189.00. That's about half the price of 1000 rounds of .223.

The SIG\'s gas system is precisely regulated by the careful mechanical timing and the geometry of gas channel in the piston. It delivers an optimal amount of gas for operation without the risk of running the gun on an improper setting. This makes it a much smarter and simple system, superior by design. And it does give the shooter an emergency setting to use with extreme fouling.
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...Unless you're an operator and need to use a suppressor.

The variable gas system allows you to ensure that low powered ammunition will cycle. Its a useful feature.

The SIG can be railed.
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By which you mean pieces of railway can be stapled onto it. The XCR is a monolithic upper. Never moves. Never busts a screw, never breaks off (never rips a chunk of the plastic off either, because there is no plastic).

No sources provided, so I\'m going to assume that\'s not true.
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Its like you're a scientologist: you simply believe something didn't happen, therefore it didn't happen.

Let me make my point again: They're both good rifles. Saying one has some nice features the other doesn't have doesn't make it a terrible rifle, or even an inferior one, all it does is say that rifle x has nice features that rifle y doesn't have.

These threads frustrate me, because its the same BS from the same people.

They're both good rifles.
 
UncleWalther said:
The XCR is better. It is more accurate, it is more reliable, and the fit and finish is also superior to that of the Swiss Arms. The XCR also has the benefit of more rigorous testing, as well as the corporate backing of Robarms, which is a rock solid name in the industry. Their weapons never fail, and they support their customers, both in the USA and Canada.

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That rocked. Especially coming from you.
 
Clowns go down quicker if you hit them with 6.8, which you can't do with a Swissarms. With the Swissarms all you can do is shoot them in their big red feet, and hope it stops them. Winner = XCR :dancingbanana:
 
Same crap over and over again...

"I like my XCR. It has more value for your dollar and more versatility... Robinson really has improved on their quality control and customer service!"

"The SIG is far superior! It's battle tested, more reliable, and the fit and finish is great! Oh yeah, and because it's super expensive it makes me feel like a maaaan!"

Lame...

Go out and shoot them, you'll find that for their uses they'll probably match up about the same when it comes to price versus product.
 
What's this comparison for again??? I thought the shooter made the difference. I recall matches where an SKS came before some fancy black rifles.
 
Make this stop...It's been beaten to death...still waiting for an XCR to come out to a match to show their superior characteristics...they never seem to show...all talk / no match results.

Rich
 
Never tried a Sig, but I've put a thousand rounds through my XCR and only had one stovepipe.
Likely a bad round.
I'm getting more than a few 1 moa groups with American Eagle ammo too.
My rifle hates Winchester ammo for some reason, and shoots 1.5 to 2 moa with it.
 
...still waiting for an XCR to come out to a match to show their superior characteristics...they never seem to show...all talk / no match results.
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Mike Kelly won the Canadian Nationals Level III 3-Gun Match competition using his XCR™ Rifle on 2August 2009.

But... hey... don't let that stop you from making stuff up!
 
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