xd vs m&p

I was talking about the m&p for feild stripping it involves picking at a yellow lever down in the mag well(you need a tool!), and jambing.

The guy was going to try once fired brass only from the m&p to see if the problem would go away. This isn't the first time I have heard this model not feeding handloads.
 
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Big JD-From the hills said:
I was talking about the m&p for feild stripping it involves picking at a yellow lever down in the mag well(you need a tool!), and jambing.

The guy was going to try once fired brass only from the m&p to see if the problem would go away. This isn't the first time I have heard this model not feeding handloads.
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first for me, I'll load up a batch of my "eternal" brass and get a friend to run it through his gun. I suspect the problem your friend has is the crimping, taper crimping covers a multitude of sins....:D

Also, remember the M&P is primarily designed as a service gun for people who don't necessarily know much about guns. The take down is designed that way to force a chamber condition check and mag removal for saftey, also, the trigger does not need to be pulled. Alot of ND/AD's occur with take down......
 
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sounds like the m&p has got a bit of a following here. i really liked the way it fit my hand and pointed, and unlike some others, i thought the trigger was actually kinda nice.
 
m1978 said:
sounds like the m&p has got a bit of a following here. i really liked the way it fit my hand and pointed, and unlike some others, i thought the trigger was actually kinda nice.
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After several hundred rounds, I really can't complain about the trigger. It's as good an any in it's class. I'm not sure I understand what poeople are complaining about. :confused: Maybe the comments are just based on handling the gun in the shop without shooting it.... I dunno.
 
mine had two problems with handloads, high primers in both, one high enough to fall out after hitting the slide. neither fed and hung up half way into the chamber. Beyong that zero problems.
 
The S&W Sigma was a rip-off of the Glock.

Glock sued S&W.

The S&W M&P is a rip off of the Springfield XD. A brutal rip off.

The Springfield XD is a good design with a horrible grip safety, built from shoddy materials in a slipshod fashion, with no parts or service available, and supplied with crappy mags.

The M&P is a good design with no grip safety, a horrible magazine disconnect, built from top-notch materials very competently, with parts and service available, supplied with crappy mags.

The mag issue, which is the identical issue with Beretta, Sig, HK, you name it, gives Glock an edge it might not otherwise deserve. Glock mags are cheap, and they are great.

Everybody else mentioned gets MecGar to make their mags for them, and Mec Gar suck #### through a straw. Horrible quality. Firearm manufacturers.... wake up! Make your own mags, you cheap, lazy bastards!

Of the two, XD and M&P, I'd take the M&P.

Of all of them, I'll stick with my G17.
 
So tell us how you really feel Dan, don't hold it in!:D

Personally, can't stand the glocks myself, and I'm not sure where you find issue with the materials on the XD, and my mec gar mags all work great in any of the several pistols they run in, certianly better then the stock colt mags i've owned....still each to his own....I find the grip saftey transparent in use, and never had a problem with it, not sure why it's an issue, and as the XD is single action vs the glock's partial double action it has a legitimate use, and is a better alternative to DA/SA with a decocker that is very frequently forgot about when under stress...
 
Cocked&Locked said:
So tell us how you really feel Dan, don't hold it in!:D

Personally, can't stand the glocks myself, and I'm not sure where you find issue with the materials on the XD, and my mec gar mags all work great in any of the several pistols they run in, certianly better then the stock colt mags i've owned....still each to his own....I find the grip saftey transparent in use, and never had a problem with it, not sure why it's an issue, and as the XD is single action vs the glock's partial double action it has a legitimate use, and is a better alternative to DA/SA with a decocker that is very frequently forgot about when under stress...
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Materials on XD: rust. broken springs. broken pins. Trawl the XD/HS2000 forum for a while.

Mec gar mags: see the thread on Slavex buying his M&P, and all the owner reports of broken mags. PLUS, I owned an XD, and NOT ONE of the 10 mags I purchased with it worked without tuning. Not one. My glock mags, all, what, 15 of them, ran perfectly with no tuning, and have been tossed half full on conrete floors literally thousands of times with no damage.

Grip safety: You find them trnasparent, but they are no good if you've got large hands. I use a good, high grip, and I used to need to pull the trigger until it stopped moving, then wiggle my hand until the grip safety disengages. Plus, I'd like to point out that the M&P is single action, and it has no grip safety, yet it is "safe". Grip safeties are universally the ####tiest things about the guns they are found on.

Like I said: Glock may seem like a better gun than it is because of the good factory mags. It's certainly not inherently better than any other of the big 4.... big 5 now: Beretta, Glock, HK, Sig, and now S&W.
 
Beretta doesn't use Mecgar mags. they make their own, and their own rock. nicest feeding I've ever used.
 
never had any feeding issues with the mags that came with my 92FS, I've never used Mac Gar (beretta) mags but always heard good things about them...

Plus, I'd like to point out that the M&P is single action,
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how far is the firing pin precocked on the M&P? I thought it was ~70% (still DAO)
 
Bartledan said:
Materials on XD: rust. broken springs. broken pins. Trawl the XD/HS2000 forum for a while.

Mec gar mags: see the thread on Slavex buying his M&P, and all the owner reports of broken mags. PLUS, I owned an XD, and NOT ONE of the 10 mags I purchased with it worked without tuning. Not one. My glock mags, all, what, 15 of them, ran perfectly with no tuning, and have been tossed half full on conrete floors literally thousands of times with no damage.

Grip safety: You find them trnasparent, but they are no good if you've got large hands. I use a good, high grip, and I used to need to pull the trigger until it stopped moving, then wiggle my hand until the grip safety disengages. Plus, I'd like to point out that the M&P is single action, and it has no grip safety, yet it is "safe". Grip safeties are universally the s**ttiest things about the guns they are found on.

Like I said: Glock may seem like a better gun than it is because of the good factory mags. It's certainly not inherently better than any other of the big 4.... big 5 now: Beretta, Glock, HK, Sig, and now S&W.
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well, steel does rust, granted that glocks tenifer treatment is tough as nails. The new treatment on my .45 XD seems much improved, time will tell. Parts break on glocks too, just not your yet, I've got coming up on 4000 rounds + through my xd, nothings broke yet, and 7 mags, all work flawlessly and have never been tuned. Maybe I'm lucky. I do have smaller hands, I've never noticed a grip saftey being present. Isn't the M&P a dao design? trigger pulls like one, long and smooth.
 
I've never noticed the grip safety in any negative way. If I'm shooting the gun my hand is on the safety. Like the trigger safety it does it's job without me having to think about it. I spend a lot of time on the XD site and the only common problem I have read about is rust (which has not occurred on mine). I think some people have had broken extractors, but that could be self inflicted. I have not read of anybody having problems with the magazines on that site. The gun has a lifetime warranty so any problems that do occur can be fixed by SA, even refinishing the slide. My XD has worked perfectly from the day I bought it, and I bought it used.
 
WHat issues with HK mags? Even the 10rd ones work like a swiss watch!
I had a problem with a 15rd white mag, but I attribute that to me bubba'ing that one.
 
redstarevolution said:
I think some people have had broken extractors, but that could be self inflicted.
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I think you meant 'ejectors', not 'extractors'. :)
The tip of the ejector broke off on my XD40 (about 3mm's)....The pistol had fired approx. 4000 rounds when I noticed it. The gun had NEVER failed to function (so I have no idea when the tip broke off), and the only reason I noticed the tip of the ejector was missing was when I bought an XD9 and was comparing the two guns.
After an underwhelming response from the importer (Nicholson), Mr. Wolverine fixed me up with a new ejector. Great service from John. ;)
I have never had an issue with ANY of my XD mags, either .40cal or 9mm, nor have I had any rust issues.
I would encourage anyone who wants a Glock, but cannot stand the grip angle, to try an XD. The XD's grip angle is identical to a SIG P220/226, NOT a 1911 as so many state. The 1911's grip angle is slightly wider.
You also don't have to go through a Glock "learning curve" on how to insert a mag without it bouncing out after the first fired shot. :rolleyes::D
 
IM_Lugger said:
never had any feeding issues with the mags that came with my 92FS, I've never used Mac Gar (beretta) mags but always heard good things about them...

how far is the firing pin precocked on the M&P? I thought it was ~70% (still DAO)
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100% cocked. It is a DIRECT rip off of the XD.
 
Slavex said:
Beretta doesn't use Mecgar mags. they make their own, and their own rock. nicest feeding I've ever used.
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That's good to hear. I handled a 90-two a week ago, and nearly creamed my jeans.

Since the grip is interchangeable, it would be production legal to stipple it, wouldn't it?
 
Cocked&Locked said:
well, steel does rust, granted that glocks tenifer treatment is tough as nails. The new treatment on my .45 XD seems much improved, time will tell. Parts break on glocks too, just not your yet, I've got coming up on 4000 rounds + through my xd, nothings broke yet, and 7 mags, all work flawlessly and have never been tuned. Maybe I'm lucky. I do have smaller hands, I've never noticed a grip saftey being present. Isn't the M&P a dao design? trigger pulls like one, long and smooth.
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I'm coming up on 50,000 though the Glock. I have broken one trigger spring.

I can only speak to *my* experiences with XD mags. I'm glad your experience is better.

The M&P is single action. It seems like a really fine pistol, but it's single action.
 
was on a website awhile back, guy seemed to be saying that a bunch of early m&ps were pretty problematic, stupid breakages and the like. hope things have gotten better. anybody heard anything about this?
 
m1978 said:
was on a website awhile back, guy seemed to be saying that a bunch of early m&ps were pretty problematic, stupid breakages and the like. hope things have gotten better. anybody heard anything about this?
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Nope. Have read nothing but positive things about the M&P since they came out. But, like anything, there's bound to be a lemon or two that get past QC.
 
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