yes or no..Glock or Colt 1911- which has the better service life???

Greenhorse six said:
So, what if you only have one hand , for what ever reason?
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See, now you're just winding him up... But don't worry, he'll have an answer straight out of "Tactical Times" soon enough.

I've been away for a few days, lemme see if I can guess what's been happening...

1. Triggers don't matter.
2. Feel and ergonomics don't matter.
3. Exposed hammers are the worst thing since termites.
4. DA/SA triggers are worse than termites, even though triggers don't matter.
5. Many "units" use Glocks.
6. Someone "runs" a gun when they play games with it. (That term is for the worst wannabes.)
7. Adjustable sights are worse than SUPER TERMITES.
8. Somebody in LE/the military told me something. And he's shot many people!
9. Price has nothing to do with bulk purchases of Glocks.
10. I can bury my gun. On the moon.
11. My guns are "tools". Yours are "toys". (See #6.)

Yup, TDC's been here.
 
TDC said:
The slide lock shouldn't be operated with your thumb, in fact it shouldn't be operated at all. An overhand grasp with your support hand provides the most positive,intuitive and reliable method of loading/reloading your pistol. The mag release is a different duck. Most will have to adjust their grip slightly to access the release with their dominant thumb. An alternate method is to activate the release with your support hand thumb while you're reaching for your replacement magazine.

TDC
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I don't agree with this at all...there is no reason not to use the slide release if it works for you.

I have used the slide release on many guns, many thousands of times. I can't remember the last time it gave me an issue, but it was years and years ago.

If, for whatever reason, you can't work your slide release, I wouldn't tell anyone not to rack their pistol. At that point you don't have much of a choice.

But if you can work the release fine, I say use it. It's faster and it always works for me, so I use it without hesitation.
 
misanthropist said:
That is extraordinarily rare, although theoretically possible, assuming you accept the extractor as a "spring" which, technically, it is. A normal "just buy a new gun" count for a 1911 is 50-75,000 rounds, and during that time, you should probably expect to replace plungers 6 to 10 times, maybe the barrel due to lug wear, or even the bore if you shoot hot ammo, safeties begin to crack, frames as well on some guns, holes begin to oval out...

You may get away with more if you shoot IPSC pop-gun loads, of course.

However, I have personally shot half a dozen Glocks which have gone over 100,000 with nothing other that spring replacement.

Can it be done with a 1911? Yes, on freakishly rare circumstances.

Can it be done with a G17? Yes, and it is done, all the time.

I am not at all down on the 1911. Just don't pretend it is what it isn't.
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Well my experience is quite the opposite of yours. While working at a commercial range, the Kimber 1911 pistols generally ran up to and past the 100,000rd mark (even with some of the aluminum framed guns). I had one barrel lug shear, and one mag catch hole deform. Eventually the slides cracked and we wrote the guns off. On the other hand, every single Glock on the range had either the frame rails break or the slide crack well before the 100,000rd mark. One G35 slide cracked at about the 5,000rd mark. Most of the G22s were done at about the 20,000rd mark.
 
TDC said:
The slide lock shouldn't be operated with your thumb, in fact it shouldn't be operated at all. An overhand grasp with your support hand provides the most positive,intuitive and reliable method of loading/reloading your pistol. The mag release is a different duck. Most will have to adjust their grip slightly to access the release with their dominant thumb. An alternate method is to activate the release with your support hand thumb while you're reaching for your replacement magazine.

TDC
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I don't agree. If the controls can be reached, operating the slide release with your thumb or index finger is easier, very reliable and faster.

And as I originally stated, imo, for people with small hands being a lefty is an advantage for both releasing the slide and droping a mag.
 
TDC said:
The slide lock shouldn't be operated with your thumb, in fact it shouldn't be operated at all. An overhand grasp with your support hand provides the most positive,intuitive and reliable method of loading/reloading your pistol. The mag release is a different duck. Most will have to adjust their grip slightly to access the release with their dominant thumb. An alternate method is to activate the release with your support hand thumb while you're reaching for your replacement magazine.

TDC
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f:P:
 
acm said:
See, now you're just winding him up... But don't worry, he'll have an answer straight out of "Tactical Times" soon enough.

I've been away for a few days, lemme see if I can guess what's been happening...

1. Triggers don't matter.
2. Feel and ergonomics don't matter.
3. Exposed hammers are the worst thing since termites.
4. DA/SA triggers are worse than termites, even though triggers don't matter.
5. Many "units" use Glocks.
6. Someone "runs" a gun when they play games with it. (That term is for the worst wannabes.)
7. Adjustable sights are worse than SUPER TERMITES.
8. Somebody in LE/the military told me something. And he's shot many people!
9. Price has nothing to do with bulk purchases of Glocks.
10. I can bury my gun. On the moon.
11. My guns are "tools". Yours are "toys". (See #6.)

Yup, TDC's been here.
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By the f**k, maybe I'm old but I have been seeing the term "run" around here alot and it sounds absurd to me. When did it replace "use"?
 
TDC said:
The slide lock shouldn't be operated with your thumb, in fact it shouldn't be operated at all. An overhand grasp with your support hand provides the most positive,intuitive and reliable method of loading/reloading your pistol. TDC
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Too bad you dont have an M&P all you need tol do is slam your mag in a little harder ;)
 
Greenhorse six said:
So, what if you only have one hand , for what ever reason?
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If you're wounded or otherwise stuck with only one had then you'll just have to make do. That usually means using the slide lock. If you're down to one hand, the method you use to keep the gun running won't really matter.

misanthropist said:
I don't agree with this at all...there is no reason not to use the slide release if it works for you.

I have used the slide release on many guns, many thousands of times. I can't remember the last time it gave me an issue, but it was years and years ago.

If, for whatever reason, you can't work your slide release, I wouldn't tell anyone not to rack their pistol. At that point you don't have much of a choice.

But if you can work the release fine, I say use it. It's faster and it always works for me, so I use it without hesitation.
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joebanana said:
I don't agree. If the controls can be reached, operating the slide release with your thumb or index finger is easier, very reliable and faster.

And as I originally stated, imo, for people with small hands being a lefty is an advantage for both releasing the slide and droping a mag.
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Nothing inherently wrong with using the slide lock. However, using the slide provides more compression of the recoil spring which in turns provides more force to drive the slide back into battery. Using the slide works on all autos for both right and left handed users. Using the slide does not require single digit dexterity or fine motor skills. Cycling the slide with your support side hand(and arm) offers greater strength than running a single digit on the small slanted surface of a slide lock/release.

As for the slide lock/release "always working". That is only the case IF the slide has locked to the rear. Should the slide fail to lock to the rear then depressing the slide lock/release will accomplish nothing. Cycling the slide will always ensure the pistol is loaded as it is the only way to ensure the pistol is loaded. As mentioned above, grasping the large surfaces of the slide with all five digits is far more positive than pressing down on the small slanted surface of the slide lock/release with a single digit.

The time saved by using the slide lock/release is minute. The time wasted when you miss the slide lock/release or the slide wasn't locked to the rear, is significant. The answer to the issues above is going to be cycling the slide. So if cycling the slide is the default "go to" answer, then why is it the second option and not the first? The fastest reload doesn't make a difference if the shots fired are misses. The fastest reload doesn't make a difference if all you did was insert a fresh magazine but failed to chamber a round. The additional half second it takes cycling the slide to ensure I loaded my pistol, is priceless.

Shooting is about consistency, and being able to load your gun every time without fail is consistent performance. Regardless of how much time it takes, its consistent. If you know you can reload effectively 100% of the time at a speed of 4 seconds, you can work around that. If you can load effectively 50% of the time at 2.5 seconds, you aren't consistent and you can't rely on that ability.

"Those who don't do it right the first time, somehow find the time to do it right the second."

TDC
 
Stainless_smith said:
Too bad you dont have an M&P all you need tol do is slam your mag in a little harder ;)
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I believe the term is called "bump loading" and its as stupid as it sounds. It can be done on most pistols and its far from reliable and only works from slide lock. Its a "specialized" skill or method, and its stupid.

TDC
 
ht tp://www.amazon.com/Gun-Digest-Book-1911-Complete/dp/0896892697/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

In this book Patrick Sweeney, a gunsmith talks about longevity of 1911. you'd be surprised at the results. It back up what cie said about his range experience with kimber 1911's. As long as it's built to good specs and you do a modicum of spring changes, they are very tough guns.

If you can afford to shoot 100K rounds and your gun finally breaks in the frame you can afford a new gun!!!

As much as I do like 1911's, when taking training courses I use a plastic pistol.
 
TDC said:
If you're wounded or otherwise stuck with only one had then you'll just have to make do. That usually means using the slide lock. If you're down to one hand, the method you use to keep the gun running won't really matter....



"Those who don't do it right the first time, somehow find the time to do it right the second."

TDC
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I disagree - it might matter even more if you're down to one hand...
 
mudgunner49 said:
I disagree - it might matter even more if you're down to one hand...
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What would be important would be getting the gun up and running, not the actions taken to get there. Obviously using the slide lock/release would make life easier provided the slide was locked to the rear to begin with.

Stainless_smith said:
Is that because you cant do it??
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No, its because its not 100% reliable.

TDC
 
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