Yet another 9mm powder
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Should be good for target use in 9mm doncha think?
It should. My personal experience with that powder has been in 38 sp. 44 mag And 44 sp.. As ganderite pointed out, you can load anything from mellow to somewhat stout. No issues encountered.
Small, fast charges and long barrels can lead to stuck bullets. It's something I went through myself and it's touched on in different loading manuals. If he is shooting lead I doubt it's gonna be an issue. I am mistaken though, I was using Clays, not Universal clays... My bad.
Clyas is a fast powder - near Bullseye.
Universal is a medium speed powder, in the Unique range.
A bit slow for target ammo. For target ammo, I would prefer something a bit faster, like HP38, 231, TiteGroup, Bullseye, 700X
Universal can make minor and then some. It might get best ES and SD at velocity faster than required.
Universal is a medium speed powder, in the Unique range.
A bit slow for target ammo. For target ammo, I would prefer something a bit faster, like HP38, 231, TiteGroup, Bullseye, 700X
Universal can make minor and then some. It might get best ES and SD at velocity faster than required.
What FMJ bullet were you loading? I haven't had any problems with 3.3gr (warning: over max load) of Clays (not Universal) under a 147gr CamPro. In fact, I haven't had a single problem with any of the fast powders I use for 9mm (Clays, Clay Dot, Titegroup, WSF, WST, Target and Bullseye).
I'll have to wade through my data for the charge weight but the bullet was definitely a true jacketed 147grn FMJ, BDX I think..?. The only other 147 I have bothered loading for general use is Campro which I used N340 to load.
I believe the Clays charge I used was 3.0 grains, I know I made it to max in the manual I was using but the bullets would still stop short of exiting the barrel half the time. The load was fine out of my pistols, was even exceptionally accurate in a few of them.
I copied this from another forum after searching for a straightforward explanation of the "CLAYS" powders:
This is from the Hodgdon web site.
CLAYS®
CLAYS™
Introduced in January, 1992, CLAYS gunpowder has "taken the clay target world by storm". It is the cleanest burning , most consistent 12 ga. 7/8., 1 oz. and 1 1/8 oz. powder available today, the preferred choice of competitive target shooters.. The superb burning characteristics of this powder produce soft, smooth recoil and excellent patterns. These features transfer directly to handgun applications where target shooting is the main goal. 45 ACP and 38 Special are only two of the cartridges where CLAYS gunpowder provides "tack driving" target accuracy with flawless functioning. Available in 14 oz., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.
INTERNATIONAL®
INTERNATIONAL CLAYS™
INTERNATIONAL gunpowder is the second in the "CLAYS" gunpowder series of powders, bringing this technology to the 20 gauge reloader. It also works in 12 ga., 2 3/4" light, medium and heavy 1 1/8 oz. loads, and high velocity 1 oz. As with CLAYS gunpowder, clean burning and flawless functioning is the rule. Available in 14 oz., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.
This is what I have:
UNIVERSAL®
UNIVERSAL CLAYS™
UNIVERSAL gunpowder handles the broadest spectrum of cartridges for both pistol and shotgun. This is the Clays gunpowder technology designed for 28 gauge shooters. From the 25 ACP to the 44 magnum and 28 gauge to 12 gauge, UNIVERSAL gunpowder provides outstanding performance. As with all the "CLAYS" gunpowder series powders, clean burning and uniformity are part of its attributes. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.
This is from the Hodgdon web site.
CLAYS®
CLAYS™
Introduced in January, 1992, CLAYS gunpowder has "taken the clay target world by storm". It is the cleanest burning , most consistent 12 ga. 7/8., 1 oz. and 1 1/8 oz. powder available today, the preferred choice of competitive target shooters.. The superb burning characteristics of this powder produce soft, smooth recoil and excellent patterns. These features transfer directly to handgun applications where target shooting is the main goal. 45 ACP and 38 Special are only two of the cartridges where CLAYS gunpowder provides "tack driving" target accuracy with flawless functioning. Available in 14 oz., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.
INTERNATIONAL®
INTERNATIONAL CLAYS™
INTERNATIONAL gunpowder is the second in the "CLAYS" gunpowder series of powders, bringing this technology to the 20 gauge reloader. It also works in 12 ga., 2 3/4" light, medium and heavy 1 1/8 oz. loads, and high velocity 1 oz. As with CLAYS gunpowder, clean burning and flawless functioning is the rule. Available in 14 oz., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.
This is what I have:
UNIVERSAL®
UNIVERSAL CLAYS™
UNIVERSAL gunpowder handles the broadest spectrum of cartridges for both pistol and shotgun. This is the Clays gunpowder technology designed for 28 gauge shooters. From the 25 ACP to the 44 magnum and 28 gauge to 12 gauge, UNIVERSAL gunpowder provides outstanding performance. As with all the "CLAYS" gunpowder series powders, clean burning and uniformity are part of its attributes. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.
I posted the above to clarify the differences in various CLAYS powders. I have tried to wade my way through some brain melting, clear as mud, long-winded diatribes, and wasn't any better off. The above makes it pretty clear.
We went through this a week or two ago in another thread. I had it straight then but confused them this time around. Judging from Google it's pretty common... Your powder sounds great though. I don't have any experience with it myself but I have seen it hiding in a shop near me. I may have to buy it all and get loading.
hatman1793
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Pardon my French but Universal Clays (too slow) & Clays (too fast) are not suitable powders for 9mm unless you are desperate, like I was a couple years ago during the powder shortage.
Unfortunately I found myself with no powder to reload & tapped my purported *friends* to at least offer a semblance of powder to back fill me. I was seriously disappointed when my so-called friends decided to hoard their supplies, leaving me to flap (fap!) in the wind!
A lesson learned the hard way. My solution was to lay in a suitable powder that would load a broad spectrum of cartridges....
Unfortunately I found myself with no powder to reload & tapped my purported *friends* to at least offer a semblance of powder to back fill me. I was seriously disappointed when my so-called friends decided to hoard their supplies, leaving me to flap (fap!) in the wind!
A lesson learned the hard way. My solution was to lay in a suitable powder that would load a broad spectrum of cartridges....
"Universal Clays (too slow) & Clays (too fast) are not suitable powders for 9mm unless you are desperate"
Well, I'll just have to struggle along with what I've got. I wonder why HODGDON would put load data on the jug for the 9mm and several others??
Well, I'll just have to struggle along with what I've got. I wonder why HODGDON would put load data on the jug for the 9mm and several others??
Not my experience. Clays makes excellent target loads with lead bullets. Universal is similar to Unique and Power Pistol - perfect for full power loads.
