yet another newbie AR-15 question(s)

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so, I am starting to get the hang of my rifle, and I really like it, but I still have a couple of questions. Well 3 really.

1.) charging handles. what is better about aftermarket, more expensive, big named ones over a decent quality stock one? besides the bling factor?

2.) buffer springs and buffers themselves. I get that a stronger or longer spring can absorb more energy, but beyond that, whats the difference between the different springs out there? Keeping the lengths out of it(IE, rifle length, mid length, carbine length). And the buffers themselves. I see different alphanumerics on some of them(h2 etc). is this a mass thing? or is there different stuff in them?

3.) muzzle devices. whats the deal with the linear ones? how does pushing the excess gasses forward help? wouldn't that make the recoil worse? Yes, quieter to the shooter, but its only .223. And what roughly $100 brake/suppressors are the best for low recoil and having no other problems? I have a decent quality A2 flash suppressor on it and I don't see anything wrong with it, but I would like to explore my options. the AR15 is a lego set after all, :)
 
Beyond the tactical look and look cool factor I find most aftermarket crap for the AR15 to be unnoticeable for performance.

A lot of it is just money grabs. Ask any CF weapons tech or gun smith who works on them on a regular basis.

There's all sorts of tactical mag release levers and other nonsense you can barbie doll them up with but at the end of the day you have an average accuracy range only toy for punching holes in paper, I just keep that in mind any time I get the urge to drop pointless money on my AR......

But I like to keep my rifles bare bones essentials so maybe my opinion is not what you're looking for lol

Hope this helps.
 
so, I am starting to get the hang of my rifle, and I really like it, but I still have a couple of questions. Well 3 really.

1.) charging handles. what is better about aftermarket, more expensive, big named ones over a decent quality stock one? besides the bling factor?

2.) buffer springs and buffers themselves. I get that a stronger or longer spring can absorb more energy, but beyond that, whats the difference between the different springs out there? Keeping the lengths out of it(IE, rifle length, mid length, carbine length). And the buffers themselves. I see different alphanumerics on some of them(h2 etc). is this a mass thing? or is there different stuff in them?

3.) muzzle devices. whats the deal with the linear ones? how does pushing the excess gasses forward help? wouldn't that make the recoil worse? Yes, quieter to the shooter, but its only .223. And what roughly $100 brake/suppressors are the best for low recoil and having no other problems? I have a decent quality A2 flash suppressor on it and I don't see anything wrong with it, but I would like to explore my options. the AR15 is a lego set after all, :)

A bigger charging handle like a BCM gunfighter gives the added real estate because the handle release is extended, if you are planning on competing the extra space would reduce chances of slippage under high stress situations, if you want to just take it to and from the range and shoot a few rounds slowly and then go home, the standard unit will do fine.

The buffer tube selection I am not sure about so someone else who knows more about this would have to tell you.

The muzzle device, the a2 works just fine, there are more efficient hiders or brakes or both like the pws com/hiders. But that ultimately comes down to you. If you feel like you need the extra muzzle reduction and flash suppression go for it. I mean it cant hurt to improve it, but if you want to dump that money instead on training/practice, why not.
 
@ Travis Bickle, no, no, I am sort of thinking that way myself. :)

I can see the point in many of them, but there are some that I just don't get, hence my question.

PS, I am from the "car culture" before, so I get people who put pointless stuff on their rides and then get absolutely schooled by someone with minimal mods on the correct car. ;) In fact, I made this my very mantra in hot rodding.
 
so, I am starting to get the hang of my rifle, and I really like it, but I still have a couple of questions. Well 3 really.

1.) charging handles. what is better about aftermarket, more expensive, big named ones over a decent quality stock one? besides the bling factor?

2.) buffer springs and buffers themselves. I get that a stronger or longer spring can absorb more energy, but beyond that, whats the difference between the different springs out there? Keeping the lengths out of it(IE, rifle length, mid length, carbine length). And the buffers themselves. I see different alphanumerics on some of them(h2 etc). is this a mass thing? or is there different stuff in them?

3.) muzzle devices. whats the deal with the linear ones? how does pushing the excess gasses forward help? wouldn't that make the recoil worse? Yes, quieter to the shooter, but its only .223. And what roughly $100 brake/suppressors are the best for low recoil and having no other problems? I have a decent quality A2 flash suppressor on it and I don't see anything wrong with it, but I would like to explore my options. the AR15 is a lego set after all, :)

In many way, aftermarket exists because it gives companies something to sell. But to answer your question.

1: Mainly larger latch portion, allows in theory for easier finding grip on the charging handle (or easier to get snagged on your kit). Technically they are easier to hit when doing a charge by swiping the handle with your pinkie side of the palm of your hand (to be very basic) rather than the traditional two finger overhand grasp on both sides of the latch. Some people like them, some people don't. Some buy them... to buy something.

2: Basically there are two types of action springs, carbine length springs to fit the collapsable stock length and rifle length springs to fit the fixed rifle length stock. There are different quality springs though. I will try and not sell you a spring. Good springs, from a actual milspec provider will last longer and have correct tension and materials to the military product. Cheaper ones (or sometimes not cheaper to the customer, but from non-military spec providers, asian parts for prime example) may not provide optimum lifespan or tension and may be more susceptible to corrosion.

To the buffers, the bolt, bolt carrier and buffer move together as one reciprocating mass. The real differences in mass come from adding or subtracting the amount of tungsten inside the buffer. The real reason for the heavier buffers is to reduce the speed of the operation, in order to reduce cyclic rate of fire on full auto firearms. In the semi-auto world, a properly built (ie, properly sized gas port) should be able to run with any of the buffers. Some people (including me) like to match the buffer to the ammunition to allow for a more comfortable cycling. For example, lighter powered ammo does well with the standard (called Carbine) buffer, on up to high powered (sometimes overpressure) ammunition, which with a lighter buffer will impart a 'crack' of a recoil vs a more comfortable 'push' of a recoil with a heavier buffer. Light pressure ammunition combined with too heavy a buffer may cause short stroking, where the amount of gas doesn't give the increased reciprocating mass enough velocity to reliably cycle the bolt back enough to eject the empty brass and strip a new cartridge from the mag and into the chamber. It is not a bad idea to have a couple of different weight buffers in your inventory. Heavy buffers do help in very short barrels, as the gas port is larger to allow for the short dwell time between the bullet passing the gas port and then exiting the barrel. Too fast of an action can see the cartridge not released from the chamber prior to extraction and instead of ejecting the cartridge the extractor may rip the brass lip, or may just ride over the lip, leaving the fired casing in the chamber. This is also where heavier extractor springs/ viton o-rings come into play, to provide more grip for the extractor.

3: I see what you are saying but, there is a chamber in the linear compensator before the beginning of the port channels, that act as the brake (pulling the rifle forward) however the gas (and noise) is then vented forward rather than out towards the sides. Cost doesn't necessarily mean more 'brake', the best recoil absorbing brake I have experienced is the basic Stag Arms brake, which is a Miculek type design, less than $40. There are more expensive brakes available, including from Stag Arms (the 3G brake at about $100), but if we are talking recoil reduction alone, the Miculek brake works VERY well.

I mentioned cost. Cost doesn't always mean better quality or better performance in the AR world. It may mean better, but it may also mean that more money is expended by a company to market their product. It may also mean that the company whose brand is laser etched on something is further down the food chain from the company that actually cut that part from the original chunk of steel or aluminum. More money may be expended paying a 'name' shooter or internet forum owner to tell everyone how fantastic a part is. Or, having already spent lots on the previous point, cost may equal what a company feel the market will bear. Sometimes high cost simply put on to convince customers that a part IS better, by nature of it costing more. Lots of variables on cost/quality/necessity of any part.

Good luck with your rifle.

Regards,
Walter
 
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I still have a couple of questions. Well 3 really.

1.) charging handles.

Basically, it is how much grip you want on the handle. Using a generic scope design usually makes grabing the handle a bit tough: the reticle on mine is right over the handle. I am using a small extendion latch that adds about 1/8" thickness and 3/8" of length: that is my personal favorite as it doesn't add a big block to catch stuff. In the end it is your choice.

2.) buffer springs and buffers themselves.

Operation speed and the weight of the buffer is, in my opinion only, an issue with very hot or heavy loads, or if you are using sub-sonic 300 Whisper/Blackout. It is something that is also personal preference and is up for a lot of debate: there will be those that say if you are running hot 75 plus grain bullets "your #### will fall off" without using a special buffer. Read, learn and decide. :yingyang:

3.) muzzle devices.

Again, personal choice. If you shoot a lot of indoor or very tight firing lines, then your fellow shooters would appriciate a "flaming pig" style that puts the flash, powder & bang down range instead of straight out into their faces: which means brakes (that put this back towards the shooters) tends to piss off the neighbors on the line! :(

If you are into organized shoots that require "run and gun" , "side-prone" and other techniques you might find certain flash hider will do better to prevent dust, dirt and crap from being blown about. I have a CORE16 upper in 300 Blackout that I had to re-index (degree of rotation, if the term is unfamiliar) the flash hider because one gap in the prongs was straight down and blew crap everywhere when shooting prone.

On an occasion some muzzle devices will help with accuracy, but you have to do the testing to be sure with your set-up and ammo it does work.
 
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hey, really great info!! What I have come to expect around here, thanx!!

I will definitely stick with my stock charging handle. Its quality aluminum, nice finish, and has large enough grip areas on it to function well without getting in the way.

I will stick with my stock buffer as well, as I will most likely be shooting 55grn cheap ammo. Hot loads by the reviews, but no Hornady or other competition ammo.

I don't shoot much prone, but I would like to see what difference a good brake can have. I don't find it that harsh at all, I also have a Yugo mauser in 8x57 and it kicks :) but for my wife(she likes .22, and is scared of the AR), and for quicker followup shots should I get more into competition. I will keep my eyes peeled for one of those cheaper Stag ones.
 
PS, I am from the "car culture" before, so I get people who put pointless stuff on their rides and then get absolutely schooled by someone with minimal mods on the correct car. ;) In fact, I made this my very mantra in hot rodding.

Is it not hilarious when they start making excuses after the race? Or try to justify it in some dumb scenario on how they could have won?

IF you are going rds or irons only standard would do fine, hell my core15 seems slightly overextended handle, and I personally find the rainer raptor to be stupid, ambi release? not needed. Lefties get the handle on right, righties get it on the left simple.

standard ammo run whatever the gun came with, you can try mix and match an "optimal" setup, but its unlikely you will see a difference on bulk ammo,

If you wanted to reduce muzzle rise and piss the guy beside you off, pws makes a stellar comp/hider, atrs has a solid brake, and battlecomps seem fairly popular as well. (Have a atrs brake on a bolt 223 I purchased from TDC I can attest to that things effectiveness)
If you see someone else running an ar with a setup you might be considering, ask them if you could give it a shot, 90% of the time they will say yes.

Want a test on how effective your brake is? The more pissed the neighbour is the more efficient it is.
 
+ 1 on larger handle with optics . Depending on the scope it can be hard to get a two finger pull . I run a Bcm large latch so I can charge rifle from the side . With a red dot or reflex site just the factory handle will suffice .
 
I personally hate optics on AR's myself lol

But for sure if you are going to put an optic or "tactical" sling mount between the receiver and the butt stock for single point slings etc get a bigger cocking handle latch.

I find iron sights are the way to go for AR's though, the A1's and A2 sights are excellent sights and are up there as some of the best irons ever put on rifle in my opinion.

I guess it bothers me so much because the uber ### CF forces us to use the gigantic 6 lb ELCAN only on the C7's/C8's lol..........

It's unreal how light and balanced the AR15 can be of you keep it in bare bones configuration with irons.
 
Do you know of any CF light weapons techs or smiths on the forum?

I would be interested in discussing a few things with one.

PM inbound Sir.

a 6lbs optic? Holy crap!!

lol I exaggerate a bit, it's actually over a pound and a half though seriously and like having a full sized lunch box sitting on top of your rifle. It's ridiculous.
 
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