You and a Man Eating Tiger - What Rifle?

The point is maneating bears, whether black or grizz, are easly taken and seldom if ever, get in the national news!!

Is there any bear that has reached the records set by any of the tigers or leopards in corberts book's? And consider the pride of lions cleaned out by George Rusby in Njombe Africa! They ate more then 2000 unlucky persons from 1932 until about 1945! 22 lions where involved! See Capstick's book 'Maneater"!
 
Gibbs505 said:
The point is maneating bears, whether black or grizz, are easly taken and seldom if ever, get in the national news!!

I've read this whole post and I'm not sure where the experts established that it's "easy" to hunt Grizzly?
 
Lazy Ike said:
I've read this whole post and I'm not sure where the experts established that it's "easy" to hunt Grizzly?
I was not talking about hunting! I was talking about maneaters and in each instance that I can recall or know of, the maneater bear was quickly shot by rangers or by other hunters. That is not the case with the big cats! For instance, Corbert hunted the Rudapryang leopard for two years, of and on!
 
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PeakXV said:
A 500lb Tiger suddenly charges out of a thicket 50-yards away he's on the
dead run and one thing is clear - it's him or you. In memory of the great Tiger Hunter Jim Corbett(see below) you only have two rounds :eek: - what rifle are you bringing to this big showdown?







Jim Corbett was born of English ancestory in the town of Naini Tal in the Kumaon foothills of the Himalayas. He was a hunter and fishing enthusiast in early life but took to big game photography later. Between 1907 and 1938, Corbett hunted down at least a dozen man-eaters. His gun of choice was a 450/400 Double Rifle.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Corbett_(hunter)

The real question in todays day and age is.......

what if you were an almost extinct Tiger, and a tiger eating man approached you with a team of poachers to kill you and take your parts to eat and sell through out the world..............................what defense would you use and if killed by these turds, who will look after your three little orphan cubs??

PONDER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hh out
 
hunterhenderson said:
The real question in todays day and age is.......

what if you were an almost extinct Tiger, and a tiger eating man approached you with a team of poachers to kill you and take your parts to eat and sell through out the World ...................
what defense would you use and if killed by these turds, who will look after your three little orphan cubs??

hh out

......... a 450/400 Double Rifle
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Gibbs505 said:
I was not talking about hunting! I was talking about maneaters and in each instance that I can recall or know of, the maneater bear was quickly shot by rangers or by other hunters....

Oh, oh... we're getting dangerously close to another round on "Bear Defence" again!

:eek: Stuart
 
josquin said:
Oh, oh... we're getting dangerously close to another round on "Bear Defence" again!

:eek: Stuart
Not at all! I am ionterested though, could anyone tell me whether there is a bear that has racked up 400 kill's like the Panar leophard? Which is built along the lines of the NA couger!! Which any grizz could rip to pieces according to some!!
 
Curiously, all these "maneaters" all seem to achieve even number totals 200, 400, 2000 kills.

In the context of the day, when actual census #'s for actual population figures did not exist, it's curious that such exact #'s for actual humans killed are so readily available. Could it be that the source of these numbers perhaps engaged in aritist licence?

From my own experience it's surprising how many bear hunters shot their bear under 50 yds in full charge, sighting down the barrel with the bear expiring up at their feet. To paraphrase an old bear hunter I know "It's intresting that all Bear are shot head on at 40 feet and all deer are shot quartering away at 400 yds."

For the record, apex predators are very lazy and will always feed on the most abundent and easily obtained food source. Put a grizz in a situation where there are plenty of barely subsisting villagers around with no coordinated game management structure in place, no weapons and a history of revering the predator animal in a religous context and you would have your answer.
 
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Lazy Ike said:
Curiously, all these "maneaters" all seem to achieve even number totals 200, 400, 2000 kills.

In the context of the day, when actual census #'s for actual population figures did not exist, it's curious that such exact #'s for actual humans killed are so readily available. Could it be that the source of these numbers perhaps engaged in aritist licence?

I think if the numbers were not rounded off - it would raise the spockian eyebrow of even more doubting thomas'!? ;) .. like that tiger killed 273 people ... exactly.:rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is the big cats rule when man-eaters are the topic and tigers are the king Cat in that department. Bigger/powerful is not always better when it comes to taking man for prey. The act of concealing/hiding and patience is key - the tigers stripes are designed to blend in with the jungle flora and they habitually seem to come out of nowhere - look at this example:

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Here is an excerpt from an article in the smithsonian (even if the figures were fudged ten-fold ... it would still make the grizzlies man-eating tendacies look rather vegan):



It has been estimated that tigers have killed a million Asians in the past 400 years, an average of 2,500 per year. Considering how available and vulnerable people are, Seidensticker adds, "it is puzzling why tigers didn't kill more than they did."

Historically, whenever man-eaters became a problem, native people found ways to get along with the tigers, using a mix of discretion, decorum, ceremony and mother wit. In the hill tribes of Vietnam, if a man-eater snatched only women, as sometimes happened, the offending tiger was seen as the soul of a deceived husband, a considerable encouragement to marital fidelity. Even to this day some tribes never mention a tiger by name for fear of attracting its attention.

It is only in the Sunderbans, the great mangrove swamp that straddles the India-Bangladesh border, that tigers seem to regularly stalk humans —usually woodcutters, fishermen and honey gatherers who have crept into this sparsely populated 4,000 square miles of wild preserve for a little poaching. Rough estimates suggest that around 300 people are killed each year.





Source:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issues/1995/november/object_nov95.php?page=2
 
Lazy Ike said:
Curiously, all these "maneaters" all seem to achieve even number totals 200, 400, 2000 kills. In the context of the day, when actual census #'s for actual population figures did not exist, it's curious that such exact #'s for actual humans killed are so readily available. Could it be that the source of these numbers perhaps engaged in artist license?

Having just read 3 of his books I can tell you that, the numbers are quite accurate. In fact if anything the tallies are under what the totals fatality counts should have been. The government of the time under enormous pressure to rid the areas affected by maneaters would offer rewards to people who reported cases of maneater attacks. Therefore the movement of the animal in question could be narrowed down from the large territory that it inhabited to where it had just recently been so that men that were willing enough to undertake the task of hunting them could investigate and increase their chances of killing it.

"The first human kill credited to the man-eating leopard of Rudraprayag is recorded as having taken place at Bainji village on 9 June 1918, and the last kill for which the man-eater was responsible took place at Bhainswara village on 14 April 1926. Between these two dates the number of human kills recorded by Government was 125... I do know that the figure given is not correct, for some kills which took place while I was on the ground have not been shown in the records... The procedure laid down by Government in all case of human beings being alleged to have been killed by man-eaters is for the relatives or friends of the deceased to lodge a report with the village patwari as soon after the occurrence as possible. On receipt of the report the patwari proceeds to the spot, and if the body of the victim has not been found before his arrival he organizes a search party, and with their aid endeavors to find the victim... the patwari holds an inquiry on the spot, and when satisfied that it is a genuine kill by man-eater, and not a case of murder... The kill is duly recorded in his register against the man-eater and a full report of the occurrence submitted to the Deputy Commissioner - who also keeps a register in which all the man-eater's kills are recorded. In the event, however, of the body, or any portion of it, not being found - as sometimes happens, for man-eaters have an annoying habit of carrying their victims for long distances - the case is held over for further inquiry, and the man-eater is not credited with the kill. Again when people are mauled by a man-eater and subsequently die from their injuries, the man-eater concerned is not credited with their deaths. It will thus be seen that though the system adopted for recording kills of man-eaters is as good as it can be, it is possible for one of these abnormal animals to be responsible for more human kills than he is finally credited with, especially when his operations extend over a long period of years."

"During the winter Ibbotson had organized a very efficient intelligence service throughout the area in which the man-eater was operating. If in this area if a dog, goat, cow or human being was killed, or an attempt made to force open a door, news of the occurrence was conveyed to us by the service, and in this way we were able to keep in constant touch with the man-eater. Hundreds of false rumours of alleged attacks by man-eater were brought to us, entailing endless miles of walking, but this was only to be expected, for in an area in which an established man-eater is operating everyone suspects their own shadows, and every sound at night is attributed to the man-eater."

"The intelligence system introduced by Ibbotson was working splendidly. Under this system of cash rewards, on a graduated scale, were paid for information about all kills in the area in which the man-eater was operating. These rewards, starting with two rupees for a goat and working up to twenty rupees for a human being, were keenly contested for, and so ensured our receiving information about all kills in the shortest time possible."
 
Ahsan Ahmed said:
For those folks who have read Corbett.....Ken Anderson's narrations will also appeal to you.

"It is however, believed that most of his writings were fictional."

I was looking into his books but then this statement threw me off... what do you make of it??? Are his books non-fiction like Corbett's were, or are they not?
 
PeakXV said:
A 500lb Tiger suddenly charges out of a thicket 50-yards away he's on the
dead run and one thing is clear - it's him or you..........you only have two rounds :eek: - what rifle are you bringing to this big showdown?
In that Situation I can think of Nothing else I'd rather look down and see in my Hands then a Trusty 710 Remmie:D
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:rolleyes:
 
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