Even with that gun, if you can hold 4 moa, you need to be in team Canada. I'm not defensive, I'm irritated by all the informed opinion from people who have not even seen a t81 in person.
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Even with that gun, if you can hold 4 moa, you need to be in team Canada. I'm not defensive, I'm irritated by all the informed opinion from people who have not even seen a t81 in person.
r34skyline
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This is a rifle group at 100m with irons, and it's OK, but I know I could do better.
That's the difference son, you don't know what you don't know, and when you see an average Joe shoot really well, then it gives you something to compare yourself to, and strive to be better. I'm the worst shooter I know out of the bunch I shoot with. There are a lot of guys out there that shoot 3-4" groups at 300m with irons routinely. I hope to get there some day...
Enjoy your 12moa groups.
Why would you even bother to post a pic of a target you printed with a target rifle that probably has some pretty nice irons and is not shooting surplus x39? It means absolutely nothing other than you have a nice target rifle shooting quality ammo and are proficient with your iron sights. I'd like to see you do that with a surplus military grade rifle with factory sights and surplus ammo.
Oh, that's right, you can't. Other than to try to show off you provided nothing of value to this thread which is about the T-81. Comparing it's accuracy to anything but another cheap rifle shooting surplus x39 is a total waste of time and proves nothing.
Nice group but you're in the wrong forum with that one
Ok - just watched the video. Suffice to say we haven’t seen a review that speaks to the practical accuracy of the T-81 yet...
And you likely won't until someone can shoot one in non-freezing, non-snowy conditions.
Definitely some enjoyment to be had, and some things to be learned too
While I was not 100% correct on Tap Rack Bang, I knew you weren't 100% right either, but could not put my finger on it nor take the time to educate myself and respond. I did do some reading and I now do have the time to respond so here is what I found.
TRB is an immediate action drill for stoppages during firing, most commonly used with pistols or other semi auto platforms with straight mag insertion.
The Tap of TRB, does consist of tapping the magazine bottom to ensure full and correct seatage of the magazine. In fact the Tap should be aggressive hammering on the bottom of the mag to achieve this, according to some sources. This is done after the first round has fired and the next round failed to feed.
So my question to you is, how does your suggested immediate action drill, that would involve aggressively hammering on the bottom of a "rock and lock" mag such as that on the 81/AK/58/M14 (that may possibly be mis-inserted in the mag well) possibly come even close to being the correct thing to do?
r34skyline
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If you read through the drill then you already know where you ####ed up. Apparently you claim to have good reading comprehension. I suggest reading up on it.
Trb was a drill prevalant amongst straight drop mags. But also ensures a rock and lock system has actually locked. Following the tap... you rack the action clearing the action and feeding a fresh round off the mag into the chamber. Bang means pull trigger gun go bang.
On a serious note. I am genuinely glad you looked it up and furthered your education. As long as you learned and move on with the new knowledge going forward that's a win.
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Ok - just watched the video. Suffice to say we haven’t seen a review that speaks to the practical accuracy of the T-81 yet...
Well, even though I am far from being good with this style of iron sights my rifle is consistently shooting 6-8 moa off the table and as for practical accuracy I can hit my steel plates standing freehand very consistently at 25 yards(6 inch square) and 50 yards(8 inch round), I'll be hanging more steel on my range soon at 100 yards (just welded the chain to the back of my new plate this afternoon). Practical accuracy is I can hit plates all day long even though it looks like crap on paper.
I bought this rifle because it looks pretty cool and has detachable mags, also so I could burn off some of the 7.62x39 I have here, I needed a beater rifle I don't care about and something more fun than an SKS. I knew going in that it wasn't going to be shooting small groups and I'm just tired of picking up brass or running a brass catcher on my nicer rifles. This rifle has so far been very reliable and it's exactly what I was expecting from a rifle made in China.
When I want to shoot small groups I have plenty of other rifles for that, this is just for blasting cheep ammo and swinging steel plates and maybe perforating the odd coyote that's stupid enough to let me get within 100 yards of it.
I really don't understand why everyone continues to talk about the accuracy of the T-81. If someone bought it thinking it was going to be a 1-2 moa rifle they are delusional. When someone figures out a way to mount an optic on one then we'll see what it can really do but until then I'm satisfied with the results I'm getting with it.
Not everyone is taught tap rack bang. Tap rack target is what I've been taught for many, many years. Never heard of tap rack bang until now.
Just modded a Tapco AK mag to fit my t81. Not sure if the tapco AK mags are any good or not. It required less work than the pmag to fit. Actually it fits pretty nice.
Looks good dude!!!!
Probably because as a civilian shooter with bullets only traveling away from you and not towards you there is no need to play operator if your rifle stops. You just pause, clear the malfunction, then reload and continue.
Same concept as not caring if I have an optic with batteries, if it dies while I'm shooting I walk over to my range box and grab a new battery, change it then carry on, it's not the end of the world, it's not life and death as a civilian like some guys try to make it sound. If I'm ever in a world where people are shooting back at me I might care more about those things, I shoot enough that I'm familiar enough with my equipment that I can get back up shooting quickly if needed but I doubt that will ever be needed to save my life.
I shoot groups like that with milsurps pretty regularly, and have for a couple decades...like I said, it's not that great, I know plenty of guys that shoot better, but that's what gets me out shooting. Not just to make noise, but to actually shoot better every time out, it's a challenge, I like a challenge. I'm married and have a nice wife so I don't need any "stress relief" shooting lol.
About 15 years ago a fellow on here wanted to trade his USGI 1911 for my Breda M1. We met up at the range, did some shooting with each gun, and I was going to put my last 8 rounds though it. I shot a group at 100m that was about an inch, maybe a touch less with those 8 rounds, and that was it... I was far more interested in accurate shooting then I was in spraying bullets everywhere. Actually, spraying bullets is ####ing annoying and frustrating to me, and I've dumped pretty much every inaccurate rifle or pistol I own save for a few. Wish I could enjoy it, but it doesn't interest me at all.
I still have that Breda...and a few other milsurps that shoot like target rifles, K31's, 1917's, AR15's, some mausers. Not a single one of them cost me $1000 either lol.
Just buy a T81 and shoot the thing. Would seem to be a challenge right up you alley to prove your skills by posting remarkable, or at least remarkably better, MOA with this rifle. At this point I've not seen anything that represents what MOA these rifles are capable of, just what the shooters are capable of at any given time and environment.
You're obviously curious or you wouldn't be here. If your wife is that "nice" , no reason to be here just to kick the dog or humble-brag. Hell, I'll send you one if you're as interested in shooting one as you appear to be.
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Thanks man!!!!
This is a rifle group at 100m with irons, and it's OK, but I know I could do better.
That's the difference son, you don't know what you don't know, and when you see an average Joe shoot really well, then it gives you something to compare yourself to, and strive to be better. I'm the worst shooter I know out of the bunch I shoot with. There are a lot of guys out there that shoot 3-4" groups at 300m with irons routinely. I hope to get there some day...
Enjoy your 12moa groups.
You did that with a hole punch for all we now champ
This does not look like a 4" group at 50m, maybe 6" and that's generous.
Tell you what, I'll start practicing in the spring, and by summer I'll be be able to put a cylinder full of 38spl into 6" at 50m out of my 686 at anytime. If I can't, you get my 686, if I can I get your T81 (so don't bubba it up just yet...lol).
Son, your missing the whole point, its laughable that your talking Type 81 and MOA in the same sentence... These rifles are designed to hit center mass (anywhere above the waste line. Only an armourer was allowed to adjust the sights... You seem to have no concept of what an AKM style rifle was originally designed for. It's a machete not a scalpel.
Most of us who own machete's have some scalpel's too, but we will never quite be the operator you are
He does seem to be quite infactuated with the T-81
Please tell everyone the correct manual of arms/immediate action drills for the AKM and related platforms.
No one wants to hear about your limited knowledge of AR's, that you are misapplying to the 81.
Aggressively hammering on the bottom on an incorrectly inserted "rock and lock" magazine will exacerbate any minor issue and may very well get you killed on the battlefield, should anyone be so foolish as to listen to your advice. Whatever training I may or may not have is obviously superior to yours, Tex.
And to recap, my two minor issues (first round slightly sticking out of a mag) were not due to an incorrectly inserted mag nor did I have to aggressively and forcefully work the charging handle to clear them. A slight nudge/bump/tap and the bolt closed and fully chambered. No matter how much you insist the 81 is an unreliable POS, the reality is these guns are performing the same or better as any other AKM or 7.62x39 semi auto rifle.
Comprehend much bro? No matter how much you confuse yourself, twisting what you have read somewhere and thinking it is what I did or should do, does not make it so. I am glad I discovered how you were confusing yourself, I mean no where in any of my comments is there anything to suggest I had to "force the round to chamber" or the other nonsense you have been spewing. You have taken what you read somewhere and are so confused you thought I said it. LOL.
I get it, you don't like China, neither their politics or products. You don't like the 81, that is fine, stick to your AR. I won't tell you to stop posting in this thread, I don't think I am the only one enjoying you confused rambling lol.
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It is quite clear you do not know how a "rock and lock" mag system works.
A "rock and lock" mag requires that the mag be rocked in front to back, this ensures the front lip catch on the mag is engaged before the rear catch.
A common problem is when someone unfamiliar with this mag system incorrectly tries to insert the mag AR style, or straight insertion. The front lip fails to catch but the back one might. In any case the operator usually gets the mag jammed up enough to keep from falling out and thinks the mag is properly locked into place.
The only way to clear an incorrectly inserted "rock and lock" mag is to remove it and re-insert it properly into the magwell.
Hammering on the mag bottom and treating it like a dropfree/straight insertion style of mag WILL NOT magically change your "rock and lock" mag into a straight insertion type.
Your course of action is dead wrong and would only further jam up the magazine or magazine well. Thanks for proving that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing lol.
