You Don't Own A Type 81 - You Can't Speak For Us

16": My AR15 in the pic has a true M4 14.5 inch barrel and my CZ858 is 15.4 inch barrel
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But your sks cannot as I referenced that spicifically. Look man, all I know is we both have stupid laws. My reply was addressing your failure to acknowledge your own while mocking ours.
 
SKS45 said:
I would never think of Bubba'ing my Russian and Chinese SKS barrel... I put a 30 round magazine in my semi auto rifles, that little 3 cent pin can be quickly pulled out in as many seconds should the regulation be changed (its a regulation in Canada not a law and so can still be changed with a pen strock)

Now here is something you will never have in Merica, my CZ858 (CZHermex) with it's original Czech Military barrel and receiver stamped 1961 with the SHE factory markings and Military acceptance cross swords roll mark.

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Having said all that when it comes to gun freedom you are more then one up on us, except for NewYork, Maryland, NewJersey, Connecticut, and of course good ole California...

By the way, just having fun bro. I may not be anti Merica, but...
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Actually the Czechpoint versions are imported from Czechoslovakia and the D-Technick Czechpoint rifles have OE barrels. Not much of a leg to stand on Im afraid. Don't be confused with the VZ2008.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
Actually the Czechpoint versions are imported from Czechoslovakia and the D-Technick Czechpoint rifles have OE barrels. Not much of a leg to stand on Im afraid. Don't be confused with the VZ2008.
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CzechPoint adds USA made parts to the vz. 58 Sporter so as to legally reconfigure the firearm with a separate pistol grip and stock. This means that all vz. 58 rifles capable of using double stack magazines possess 5 plus 2 extra USA made parts to fully comply with Title 18, U.S.C., Section 922(r).

https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/vz58-liberty-762csm
 
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I don't fully appreciate the value of those posed photos of cartridge/knife/car keys/watch gear prop photos personally. I get the artistic side of of it but overall it's really poser ghey.
 
SKS45 said:
CzechPoint adds USA made parts to the vz. 58 Sporter so as to legally reconfigure the firearm with a separate pistol grip and stock. This means that all vz. 58 rifles capable of using double stack magazines possess 5 plus 2 extra USA made parts to fully comply with Title 18, U.S.C., Section 922(r).

https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/vz58-liberty-762csm
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3, and two of those are in the magazines. Im not referring to these recent hackjobs your linking to.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/ak-47/VZ58_andamp__US_Made_Parts__A_922_r__Question_/99-150057/

Some of you guys forget the fact there wasn't always 922.
 
Ya got me. All your guns are better.... An American made return spring should be an absolute deal breaker.

Jebus man. Im still trying to figure out what your point is. I told you.... We both have wonkey laws. Do I need to start revisiting yours?
 
Im not the US VZ58 guru, but this is the old import VZ58. Way it seems to me, we have the same guns. Except this one changes mags once for every six you do? Ill take it.

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Loose-Cannon said:
How they restrict your magazines on those? Permanently hack weld the darn thing with a Canadian made foreign object?
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Rivets mostly...the cheap aluminum ones.
Some like the M14 have a long fin welded to the follower, others (pistol/AR15) sometimes have the mag body dented to limit the follower, or just short mag bodies, Chinese AR15 mags have a big hole cut in the side so rounds fall out of it if you load over 5.
SKS fixed mags have many different blocks, epoxy, pins, welds, pins in the follower.
M1 Garands are exempt.
 
Truth be told... This is the first I have heard the term 922r in years. Literally nobody follows it. Its the equivalent of taking a tag off a matress or jay-walking. Just sayin.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
You can apply this to both. Pot meet kettle



Whats there to change on a far superior platform?
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For starters, you are the one claiming we should compare a stock t81 to an AK with a $300 aftermarket trigger module and aftermarket selector. You can't have it both ways.

Is a highly modified raced-out AK better than a stock chinese t81? Probably yes, if well done.

Just like a $400 savage bolt gun with $800 of Macmillan stock and bedding likely outshoots a stock Cooper that isn't bedded, pillared, etc.

What are we comparing here? In my mind, it's a standard type 56 to a standard type 81.
 
For starters, you are the one claiming we should compare a stock t81 to an AK with a $300 aftermarket trigger module and aftermarket selector. You can't have it both ways.
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No sir, there is absolutely nothing added to that AK I posted. You say the 81 is "rich with features" compared the the 100% stock specimen I provided and utterly failed in providing us with any "features" that are not purely subject to personal preference. I then provided you with several actual features the AK has in which the 81 does not.

You like to claim things such as a "nice trigger" being a 'feature' while not ever having touched this AKs trigger. Now, I dunno what pos AK you shot that had a 'bad' trigger but the feature is.... Both have a trigger.

You then talk about a gas selector this AK does not have, but your 81 does not have a gas shutoff thats automatically engaged when the GL sights are deployed.

THEN you wonk wong about a folding stock, whick the AK indeed also has. Which direction it folds is irrelevant as its solely a personal preference. Same with the selector... Personal preference as my AK indeed has a selector as an actual feature of the carbine.

After all that you blatantly over looked some key facts because they do not fit your narrative.

You also rambled on about a BHO, but soon learned the AK indeed has a BHO

Do you have night sights? No
Do you have a muzzle brake? No
Do you have the ability to remove your GL at will and reinstall it? No
Do you have a GL sight ladder as an integrated feature of the rifle? No
Do you have a 30 round capacity? No
Do you have the ability to attach a bayo without modification? No

Now, you can tap dance around the facts for another 4 pages, or you can agree to disagree.
 
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Claven2 said:
For starters, you are the one claiming we should compare a stock t81 to an AK with a $300 aftermarket trigger module and aftermarket selector. You can't have it both ways.

Is a highly modified raced-out AK better than a stock chinese t81? Probably yes, if well done.

Just like a $400 savage bolt gun with $800 of Macmillan stock and bedding likely outshoots a stock Cooper that isn't bedded, pillared, etc.

What are we comparing here? In my mind, it's a standard type 56 to a standard type 81.
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This is the comparison he is basing his statement on.

I don't think cherry picking one of the better AK variants as an example is very apt either. You are quoting the exception rather than the rule.
 
Claven2 said:
I dont know which will hold up better over time, but the T81 is more feature rich than an AK underfolder:

- side folder is more practical than underfolder, beter cheek weld and can be deployed more conveniently.
- far better selector ergonomically speaking
- gas adjustment
- somewhat improved trigger
- Bolt holdopen

In most other ways they are almost identical.
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I don't think so.... No backtracking. He spicifically referred to the AK-UF I posted. Fact

"More feature rich" lol
 
Loose-Cannon said:
No sir, there is absolutely nothing added to that AK I posted. You say the 81 is "rich with features" compared the the 100% stock specimen I provided and utterly failed in providing us with any "features" that are not purely subject to personal preference. I then provided you with several actual features the AK has in which the 81 does not.

You like to claim things such as a "nice trigger" being a 'feature' while not ever having touched this AKs trigger. Now, I dunno what pos AK you shot that had a 'bad' trigger but the feature is.... Both have a trigger.

You then talk about a gas selector this AK does not have, but your 81 does not have a gas shutoff thats automatically engaged when the GL sights are deployed.

THEN you wonk wong about a folding stock, whick the AK indeed also has. Which direction it folds is irrelevant as its solely a personal preference. Same with the selector... Personal preference as my AK indeed has a selector as an actual feature of the carbine.

After all that you blatantly over looked some key facts because they do not fit your narrative.

You also rambled on about a BHO, but soon learned the AK indeed has a BHO

Do you have night sights? No
Do you have a muzzle brake? No
Do you have the ability to remove your GL at will and reinstall it? No
Do you have a GL sight ladder as an integrated feature of the rifle? No
Do you have a 30 round capacity? No
Do you have the ability to attach a bayo without modification? No

Now, you can tap dance around the facts for another 4 pages, or you can agree to disagree.
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Let me get this straight. You are picking the best things from different ak models that don't all exist on the same rifle together to argue ak's have more to offer than a t81?

QI give up. You win. It's like being married and putting up with a wife who can never be wrong.

Ps: all guns in Canada are limited to 5 round for semi autos. Even my ak mags are 5 rounds. But whatever, you clearly know everything already, so why do I bother??
 
Loose-Cannon said:
3, and two of those are in the magazines. Im not referring to these recent hackjobs your linking to.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/ak-47/VZ58_andamp__US_Made_Parts__A_922_r__Question_/99-150057/

Some of you guys forget the fact there wasn't always 922.
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To fully comply with Title 18, U.S.C., Section 922(r). The Czechpoint vz58 is not sold with the bayonet lug as importation of the vz. 58 with a bayonet lug would violate US import law. includes seven USA made parts (only five US made parts are required for 922r compliance so this rifle model possesses two extra US made parts).

The seven USA made parts are: trigger (glass-filled nylon), handguard, grip, polymer follower, polymer floor plate, buttstock, and removable muzzle brake.

https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/vz58-liberty-762csm
 
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