Your choice of C&C Bullets?
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freddyfour
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Yes Track, KISS is probably the best method for you. After your comments in this thread it is obvious that you don't understand basic bullet construction or design.
Jargon or not as you call it in your last post, at least I have an understanding of what C&C and spitzer means, you obviously don't.
Well for Cup an Cores I use Hornady .375 FN 220gr and Remington Corelokt 130gr .277 and 250gr .358 AND I am a fan of Cup an core!! Although in recent times I have been handed Monos to try out... Could this be the turning point :/
Heavy for Cal C&C certainly are the go on the big stuff, as the smaller weights tend to open up more rapid... which is perfect for some critters.
anywho
WL
Heavy for Cal C&C certainly are the go on the big stuff, as the smaller weights tend to open up more rapid... which is perfect for some critters.
anywho
WL
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1888 pattern M/88 (left) alongside the 1905 pattern 7.92×57mm Mauser S Patrone.
The spitzer bullet, also commonly referred to as a spire point bullet, is primarily a small arms ballistics development of the late 19th and early 20th century, driven by military desire for aerodynamic bullet designs that will give a higher degree of accuracy and kinetic efficiency, especially at extended ranges. To achieve this the projectile must minimize air resistance in flight.
Bullets with a lower drag coefficient (Cd) decelerate less rapidly. A low drag coefficient flattens the projectile's trajectory somewhat at long ranges and also markedly decreases the lateral drift caused by crosswinds. The higher impact velocity of bullets with high ballistic coefficients means they retain more kinetic energy.
The name 'spitzer' is an anglicized form of the German word Spitzgeschoss, literally meaning "pointy bullet".
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I've shot a pile of game with the vanilla Hornady IL.
Have some 180 Speer RN I'm looking forward to trying in a 30/40 Krag.
Spitzer, errr, pointy bullets just seem wrong in a lever action.
I never really jumped on the premium bullet bandwagon.
Have shot a couple of moose and caribou with TSX's but more with IL's and Partitions.
Have some 180 Speer RN I'm looking forward to trying in a 30/40 Krag.
Spitzer, errr, pointy bullets just seem wrong in a lever action.
I never really jumped on the premium bullet bandwagon.
Have shot a couple of moose and caribou with TSX's but more with IL's and Partitions.
The best performing C&C bullet I have used has been the Core lockt. I started hunting twenty years ago with factory Federal ammunition, switched to reloading with a variety of premium bullets and have now found a satisfaction by Reloading with Remington C&C.
In my experience and testing they may be slightly less accurate on paper than premium bullets, however Hunting is not F-Class nor should it be. I have found that a quality C&C bullet such as a Remington Cor-lockt, Speer Magtip, or Sierra Gameking to be the most effective Killing bullets at Variable Hunting Ranges of 0-500 yards. While some premium bullets may perform better (strictly in an expansion to weight retention ratio) at longer ranges and others at shorter ranges I feel that they have a smaller more specific range of ideal operation. Most of which is not at, what I would consider Hunting Variable range.
In my experience and testing they may be slightly less accurate on paper than premium bullets, however Hunting is not F-Class nor should it be. I have found that a quality C&C bullet such as a Remington Cor-lockt, Speer Magtip, or Sierra Gameking to be the most effective Killing bullets at Variable Hunting Ranges of 0-500 yards. While some premium bullets may perform better (strictly in an expansion to weight retention ratio) at longer ranges and others at shorter ranges I feel that they have a smaller more specific range of ideal operation. Most of which is not at, what I would consider Hunting Variable range.
I have used 180 gr round nose Hornady in my 30-06 carbine for years as a truck gun, and they were always accurate and fast game stoppers.
I recall a cow elk at about 150 yds that I still recall how it dropped with a high side chest hit.
I feel the C&C have a good purpose for most hunting. I admit I tend to more "exotic" bullets now when time is short and/ or travel is long.
I recall a cow elk at about 150 yds that I still recall how it dropped with a high side chest hit.
I feel the C&C have a good purpose for most hunting. I admit I tend to more "exotic" bullets now when time is short and/ or travel is long.
Well being an expert on myths we'll give you that one, except that time, science and some great journaling on behalf of quite a few intelligent people has proven that energy transfer is a myth. If it were true, the lowly .243 would throw a trophy whitetail sideways as if it were blindsided by an NFL linebacker. But it doesn't.
And "spitzer"??!! Good lord, that was a drift. FYI Nosler refers to their competitions lowly "cup and core" methods as being inferior so it ain't "jargon".....
Remember folks, you can be ignorant after claiming supremacy if you only use that ignorance on "the big ones".....
Wow. That was an interesting thread. Track, how would you name a pointed cast lead bullet? It is a spitzer, but doesn't have a jacket, but is still pointy. Or Better yet, how can Barnes market spitzer bullets that have no lead in them at all?
Holy crap! You should write a letter to Barnes' and Berry's and let them know they are wrong.
I started reloading in '81. There's plenty I don't know about harmonics, but, dang! Cup and core? Spitzer?
I use mostly Hornady for anything .311", but still have plenty of Remington PSPs in bulk that work fine.
Broke extractor in rifle the day before season thus year. Grabbed an M77 I had bought last year, sighted for 165gn Corelokts (and buddy sent along 2 1/2 boxes). Checked the zero, close enough. Went out the next night and shot a huge buck. Worst luck!
Bullet missed the ribs, wrecked a small part of the onside lung, liquified the far side, THEN HIT A RIB, EXPANDED, BLEW OUT THE FAR SHOULDER! It was the first and probably the last time I use Corelokts. I haven't tracked a deer so far in 12years.
Holy crap! You should write a letter to Barnes' and Berry's and let them know they are wrong.
I started reloading in '81. There's plenty I don't know about harmonics, but, dang! Cup and core? Spitzer?
I use mostly Hornady for anything .311", but still have plenty of Remington PSPs in bulk that work fine.
Broke extractor in rifle the day before season thus year. Grabbed an M77 I had bought last year, sighted for 165gn Corelokts (and buddy sent along 2 1/2 boxes). Checked the zero, close enough. Went out the next night and shot a huge buck. Worst luck!
Bullet missed the ribs, wrecked a small part of the onside lung, liquified the far side, THEN HIT A RIB, EXPANDED, BLEW OUT THE FAR SHOULDER! It was the first and probably the last time I use Corelokts. I haven't tracked a deer so far in 12years.
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Not sure what they load 'em with, but my Savage 99 in .308 likes Federal Blue Box. She's a cheap date
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LOL!!! C&C or whatever you guys wish to call it, is most irrelevant to reloading in my world, and likewise, there are many other tech writings in manuals that I'm really not interested. As long as I can customize a load for my firearms, with 1/2 sub moa and kill mature animals, I'm a very happy camper. I keep it simple.
