** Your NEA102 build **

Jay said:
Typical AR15... Nothing to write home about...

Cheers
Jay
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Yeah that's what I expected. Especially at this price point for the rifle. Just curious. Might have to use the stock one if my aftermarket ones won't work.

tiriaq said:
But there are lots of trigger options...
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I bought a used Geiselle ssa-e that I'm going to try installing in this rifle. Really like the Geiselle triggers. Hope it will work in this rifle with surplus ammo
 
Jay said:
A very special thank you to Ryan @ SFRC for letting me pick up my OD Green BCL102 today even though they had a CFO inspection ongoing.

I do believe it is the FIRST OD Green rifle released to the public... A big shout out to luckyluc82 for being a bad influence & inspiring me to pick one up!

Initial impressions are the rifle feels robust, mags drop free & it is a tad front heavy. I put my Elite 6500 1.25-8x32 in a GG&G 35M QD mount on it & I think it looks good! Not sure what other mods I might do, first thing is THE RANGE!!!

If it's reliable & prints decent groups with good ammunition, this just might be my new big game rifle!

Cheers
Jay







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That is very nice looking.
 
driller212 said:
Yup, you just need to buy the AR-10 compatible kit (milspec of course).

The handguard will require some more info on the rifles, particularly the gas block diameter. I hope it is a common diameter so I can eventually put clamshell furniture on it.
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No offence but your post shows that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about.

Rifle length receiver extensions only come in one size/dia. In other words the mil spec is the only spec. Can it be installed? Yes. Will it still function as designed? Not without modification. .308 BCGs are longer than the 5.56mm versions which means that rifle buffer is too long and would need to be shortened to work if it would work at all. Remember, these are supposed to be based on the AR102, the receiver extension and BCG are a larger diameter on the original rifles. Most .308 AR style rifles use as many AR15 parts as possible to make manufacture cheaper. Has NEA/BC done the same? It would appear so but something must be different enough that it's considered an AR102 variant as opposed to AR15.

As for handguards there are more issues. How are you securing them? Will a Delta ring from Armalite or DPMS work? Can you even install a delta ring on the existing barrel nut? Will a Armalite or DPMS barrel but work?

I believe the NEA 102 uses a midlength gas system. Now, that's not necessarily an issue if you just want the look but the barrel dia at the rifle length location is likely less than the .750" necessary to install an A2 FSB. Aren't these fluted as well? The easiest solution would be a custom barrel but it would require a standard style barrel nut which could be a custom job if Armalite or DPMs won't work. It would also require an Armalite AR10 length gas tube if you wanted a rifle length gas system and there is no guaranty it would work. The height of the gas tube above the bore can differ between manufacturers. DPMS for example uses AR 15 gas tubes on the GII but different ones on their legacy 308 rifles.

Can it be done? Sure, but it would involve a lot of custom work and most would balk at the price tag just to get a retro look.
 
Leg said:
No offence but your post shows that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about.

Rifle length receiver extensions only come in one size/dia. In other words the mil spec is the only spec. Can it be installed? Yes. Will it still function as designed? Not without modification. .308 BCGs are longer than the 5.56mm versions which means that rifle buffer is too long and would need to be shortened to work if it would work at all. Remember, these are supposed to be based on the AR102, the receiver extension and BCG are a larger diameter on the original rifles. Most .308 AR style rifles use as many AR15 parts as possible to make manufacture cheaper. Has NEA/BC done the same? It would appear so but something must be different enough that it's considered an AR102 variant as opposed to AR15.

As for handguards there are more issues. How are you securing them? Will a Delta ring from Armalite or DPMS work? Can you even install a delta ring on the existing barrel nut? Will a Armalite or DPMS barrel but work?

I believe the NEA 102 uses a midlength gas system. Now, that's not necessarily an issue if you just want the look but the barrel dia at the rifle length location is likely less than the .750" necessary to install an A2 FSB. Aren't these fluted as well? The easiest solution would be a custom barrel but it would require a standard style barrel nut which could be a custom job if Armalite or DPMs won't work. It would also require an Armalite AR10 length gas tube if you wanted a rifle length gas system and there is no guaranty it would work. The height of the gas tube above the bore can differ between manufacturers. DPMS for example uses AR 15 gas tubes on the GII but different ones on their legacy 308 rifles.

Can it be done? Sure, but it would involve a lot of custom work and most would balk at the price tag just to get a retro look.
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I am going off of the info provided by NEA/BCL. I definitely am no AR expert that is for sure. I have avoided di guns for some time prior to the last couple of years.

I think you need to read more about the NEA/BCL 102. It takes AR10 buffer tubes (as stated by NEA) which are longer than your standard AR15/AR308 buffer tubes thereby solving the problem you pose about buffer tube length in regard to buffers and BCG length. It also takes Armalite threaded barrel nuts. The only thing I am unaware of as far as putting on a clamshell handguard is the gas block diameter. The NEA25 has an unusual gas block diameter, however if this rifle has something standard in regards to gas block diameter, it shouldn't be hard to replace the barrel nut and gas block to install a clamshell handguard.

The barrel isn't fluted all the way back. You seem ill informed about the facts about this rifle, please check the faq thread and/or read the threads about this rifle.

I don't think it would require any custom work to get this to a "retro" look, assuming the gas block is a standard diameter and can be replaced. Just my opinion based on the released specs on this rifle, and there are almost as many opinions as there are A-holes on this forum, so you can take it with a grain of salt as you please :p
 
Once again your post shows your ignorance on the matter. I've seen your FAQ and while I applaud your attempt it only serves to confuse the issue. NEA is not giving you the full picture.

Any receiver extension, be it AR15 carbine, AR10 carbine, AR15 rifle or Vltors A5 will thread in to the receiver. It doesn't mean that the rifle will function without further modification.

Fluting doesn't go all the back. Thanks chops, I had no idea:rolleyes:. Regardless of how far it goes back it is fluted where the FSB would need to be installed for rifle length handguards. I'm also willing to bet that the diameter will be less than the .750" required to install it. Most reduce the diameter between .710-740" after the gas block/FSB.

I don't need to recheck your FAQ to know any of that. I don't care who told you what, it's wrong.

I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm an A-hole or what but you wouldn't be the first and I doubt you'll be the last. My wife would agree BTW. I tend be direct and to the point and that's generally interpreted as somewhat hostile for some reason.:confused:

ETA: so I did go looking for your FAQ again and I can't find it. I thought it was moved to Battle Rifles but I don't see it. I did find a version of it on another site and it says that it's unknown wether an a2 rifle stock can be installed.
 
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The barrel is .800 from muzzle to gas block.
The gas block area is .875.

FYI for anyone looking to change out gas blocks or trying to match a compensator to the diameter at the muzzle.
 
pauls said:
The barrel is .800 from muzzle to gas block.
The gas block area is .875.

FYI for anyone looking to change out gas blocks or trying to match a compensator to the diameter at the muzzle.
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Now that is some good information. Explains why this thing is so heavy. That means that you'd have to turn down a large portion of the barrel to make rifle handguards work. Which means blasting the finish, machine work, refinish of some type. Not an easy or cheap task.

Wonder why those specs aren't in the FAQ.
 
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Earlier I had asked about turning down the barrel, given that it is nitrided. Apparently this can be done. .800 from gas block to muzzle is a bit heavy. A Light Palma target rifle barrel is .750 at the muzzle, sporting barrels somewhat less. Turning the barrel down with the flutes might be interesting.

It would be interesting to know if the barrel extension is proprietary - and if it is, could one be purchased. Making up a new barrel is easier if a barrel extension can be had, rather than removing the extension from the original barrel. Barrels can be exchanged easily enough, nice to have an extension on each barrel.
 
Leg said:
Once again your post shows your ignorance on the matter. I've seen your FAQ and while I applaud your attempt it only serves to confuse the issue. NEA is not giving you the full picture.

Again, as I said, I am not versed well in the DI world, but you don't have to be such a C@ck about it.

Any receiver extension, be it AR15 carbine, AR10 carbine, AR15 rifle or Vltors A5 will thread in to the receiver. It doesn't mean that the rifle will function without further modification.

|Yup, hence why it only takes AR-10 buffer tubes...

Fluting doesn't go all the back. Thanks chops, I had no idea:rolleyes:. Regardless of how far it goes back it is fluted where the FSB would need to be installed for rifle length handguards. I'm also willing to bet that the diameter will be less than the .750" required to install it. Most reduce the diameter between .710-740" after the gas block/FSB.

Folks might need a new barrel in that case, or need to modify the existing one based on the post above by pauls

I don't need to recheck your FAQ to know any of that. I don't care who told you what, it's wrong.
I trust the manufacturer more than an armchair ar-15 expert, "No offense".

I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm an A-hole or what but you wouldn't be the first and I doubt you'll be the last. My wife would agree BTW. I tend be direct and to the point and that's generally interpreted as somewhat hostile for some reason.:confused:

You well know how you are acting.

ETA: so I did go looking for your FAQ again and I can't find it. I thought it was moved to Battle Rifles but I don't see it. I did find a version of it on another site and it says that it's unknown wether an a2 rifle stock can be installed.

It has been moved back to this forum. And it has been updated with that info on here at least.
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It would be better if we can be more constructive. If someone is wrong there is no need to be a jerk about it to stroke your ego. My responses to you are well deserved by the way.

Lay out in detail why that person is wrong in a respectful matter so they can learn and move on.
 
I gave you factual info, what's not constructive about it? I don't believe that I was disrespectful at all.

Let's look at your comment "hence why it only takes AR10 buffer tubes". I'm going to assume that we're talking about modern Armalite AR10 carbine buffer tubes which are simply longer AR15 carbine buffer tubes so that they don't have to cut down a carbine buffer. You told the other poster he could install a rifle buttstock on his rifle. This is not possible without using an AR15 rifle length receiver extension. A carbine extension ("AR10" or AR15) will not work with a rifle buttstock.

You say that I deserve your response? You seem to imply that by trying to give factual info I was being an ahole. Why? Because it contradicted your FAQ or what NEA told you? You told someone it was possible to do something that wasn't in fact possible. I proceeded to tell you not only why it wasn't correct but how to also possibly do it. Is that not helpful? I certainly don't expect you to take my word for it. Check around, do your due diligence by all means. At the end of it you'll see that I'm right.

If you want to take NEAs word as gospel go ahead but manufacturers make make mistakes and PR people don't always understand what's being asked of them.

I did see mention that these use Armalite barrel nut threads. That would make it possible to use an Armalite barrel nut and delta ring if one wanted to install a set of handguards. The barrel would still need a lot of custom work which makes it not really feasible.
 
Leg said:
I gave you factual info, what's not constructive about it? I don't believe that I was disrespectful at all.

Let's look at your comment "hence why it only takes AR10 buffer tubes". I'm going to assume that we're talking about modern Armalite AR10 carbine buffer tubes which are simply longer AR15 carbine buffer tubes so that they don't have to cut down a carbine buffer. You told the other poster he could install a rifle buttstock on his rifle.yes, with an AR-10 compatible kit which exists and would function would it not? This is not possible without using an AR15 rifle length receiver extension. A carbine extension ("AR10" or AR15) will not work with a rifle buttstock.

You say that I deserve your response? You seem to imply that by trying to give factual info I was being an ahole. Why? you conveyed yourself rudely, not because you were showing I was wrong Because it contradicted your FAQ or what NEA told you? You told someone it was possible to do something that wasn't in fact possible see above. I proceeded to tell you not only why it wasn't correct but how to also possibly do it. Is that not helpful? I certainly don't expect you to take my word for it. Check around, do your due diligence by all means. At the end of it you'll see that I'm right.

If you want to take NEAs word as gospel go ahead but manufacturers make make mistakes and PR people don't always understand what's being asked of them.

I did see mention that these use Armalite barrel nut threads. That would make it possible to use an Armalite barrel nut and delta ring if one wanted to install a set of handguards. The barrel would still need a lot of custom work which makes it not really feasible. I agree, hopefully if we are lucky the barrel extension won't be proprietary, or they will offer other barrel profiles in the future.
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Look man, lets just put it past us and be happy a rifle like this exists on the market. If you feel anything is wrong with my FAQ please PM me with the correct info so I can confirm that information and then change it. After reviewing it, all seems to be correct again based on info given by NEA/BCL.
 
Leg said:
No offence but your post shows that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about.
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Leg said:
I gave you factual info, what's not constructive about it? I don't believe that I was disrespectful at all.
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I can see how your opening line may have rubbed some people the wrong way, but the rest of the post seems fine and probably would have been fine without it.

Regardless, it's better for us all to have the right information at the end, so thanks to both of you for sorting it out.
 
Mister Donut said:
I can see how your opening line may have rubbed some people the wrong way, but the rest of the post seems fine and probably would have been fine without it.

Regardless, it's better for us all to have the right information at the end, so thanks to both of you for sorting it out.
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Fair enough. My opening line wasn't the greatest.

I have no idea where the FAQ went. It's not here and a search turns up nothing.

As for the whole buttstock issue. Yes, Armalite sells an AR10 A2 buttstock kit. All of the parts are standard AR15 with the exception of the shortened rifle buffer. The spring may be shorter as well. Will it work? Likely. Will NEA go on record and say it's compatible.? Maybe. Could you void your warranty? Possibly.
 
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Leg said:
Fair enough. My opening line wasn't the greatest.

I have no idea where the FAQ went. It's not here and a search turns up nothing.

As for the whole buttstock issue. Yes, Armalite sells an AR10 A2 buttstock kit. All of the parts are standard AR15 with the exception of the shortened rifle buffer. The spring may be shorter as well. e s
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Ok I see, but it should still work no?

Its there. Here is the link: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1599725-NEA-BCL-102-FAQ-Thread
 
Leg said:
Fair enough. My opening line wasn't the greatest.

I have no idea where the FAQ went. It's not here and a search turns up nothing.

As for the whole buttstock issue. Yes, Armalite sells an AR10 A2 buttstock kit. All of the parts are standard AR15 with the exception of the shortened rifle buffer. The spring may be shorter as well. e s
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driller212 said:
Ok I see, but it should still work no?

Its there. Here is the link: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1599725-NEA-BCL-102-FAQ-Thread
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I think it ended up in the black/green rifle section, instead of the battle rifle section.
 
But where?

The link works and now I find it in a search but I don't see it in the forum. I went back five pages and couldn't find it.
 
chicu1981 said:
So for those who know the technical side of things what aftermarkets stocks can be installed on this?
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Buttstocks or forestocks?

If buttstock than any mil spec carbine stock should work but the buffer tube will likely extend past the stock when fully collapsed.

Forestock than anything compatible with Armalite barrel nut threads "should" work.

Honest answer is at this point it's more of an educated guess.
 
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